Very impressed by how quickly action has been taken by this and other instances to patch the issue.
Very, seems like great work.
I wish hackers would invest their time in clearing credit card debt, deleting hospital fees, or something else that actually serves the public good, instead of hacking ordinary people just trying to get by.
Deleting hospital fees/debt is very dangerous... In many HUGE regions in the US there's only one hospital and if that hospital suddenly can't pay its bills it could shut down, leaving a whole lot of completely innocent people in a very sad, people-are-dying sort of state.
In fact, something like this already happened:
https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/st-maragrets-health-central-illinois-hospital-closing/
Hospitals are special in that they're often evil organizations (not all though) that are some of the easiest to hack but also provide critical services to the most vulnerable. One should tread lightly. Political solutions are better (hack some politicians that are against healthcare reform instead).
Clearing credit card debt via hacking is nearly impossible but I agree it would be a much more ethical choice for hackers to target. I used to work for the credit card industry. My unique insider perspective, deep industry knowledge, and personal experience is here to let you know they suck. They are just as evil and unethical and unnecessary as everyone thinks they are! Seriously: If Visa, MasterCard, American Express, and all the lesser players suddenly disappeared the world would be a better place.
Before that can happen though people need a backup payment method that doesn't go through their systems and no: Cash won't work (there's not enough in circulation and it's dangerous to carry large amounts of it). The credit card companies know this threat exists which is why they lobbied Florida (and probably other states) to outlaw alternative, government-run forms of payment (e.g. central bank currency).
As soon as people have a widely accepted payment option that doesn't go through Visa and MasterCard's middlemen (e.g. First Data) then hackers can take their gloves off! Until then though... Let's keep the payment infrastructure working, OK? Thanks!
There's no limit to the amount of good deeds hackers can do though. So let's encourage that! For example, there's plenty of cartels and evil religious organizations (e.g. Taliban, ISIS, Mormon Church, Prosperity Gospel scam artists) that have plenty of money to spare and enormous attack surfaces 👍
Thanks Ruud for fixing it! Just a reminder guys that If you are using a third party app you need to login again.
what steps are being taken to ensure it doesn't happen again? was any personal data compromised for users?
Good point, I'll update the post.
Also I am curious, what's the easiest way to currently reach the admins in case this happens again somehow? Two of them on their account have been seemingly inactive for a month and as per your own statement you rarely check your notifications and dms. Is there a discord somewhere for it?
Mail: info@lemmy.world Mastodon: @mwadmin@mastodon.world Matrix: https://matrix.to/#/#lemmy-support-general:discuss.online
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: My account was not among those hacked. Any random bullshit appearing in my post/comment history was written by me.
First - really good summary and sounds like everyone is working hard.
Cross posting the below comment.
Under GDPR if you have had a data breach you have a legal obligation to assess whether you need to report it and you must make the report within 72 hours of discovering the breach.
There are other types of reportable breaches too, I only mention data as it sounds most likely. You may or may not be subject to PECR which may also have been breached although less likely. I don’t really have enough familiarity with the regulation to discuss that one.
If you are not sure if there has been a breach you may also need to discuss it with the relevant body or make a report.
Please can you update what action you have taken regarding this and if the incident was reportable or not and the reasons why. Edit - from that new information, it sounds like this is a reportable breach.
For a full understanding, it would be good to know if you had 2FA enabled on the compromised account particularly as it had admin privileges and if so how 2FA was circumvented with this exploit.
It would also be good to know what measures you have in place to prevent the same or other malicious attempts on your Open Collective and Patreon accounts as issues with those are potentially more serious. They may not be vulnerable to this, but it is going to be reassuring to know there is good security practice, 2FA protection etc enabled and you have robust procedures in place.
Thanks for the info. We're looking into this.
Thanks for letting us know - this is the kind of transparency that I wish the world had more of!
So what happened:
Am I right?
I'm old-school developer/programmer and it seems that web is peace of sheet. Basic security stuff violated:
Am I right? Correct me if I'm wrong.
Again, web is peace of sheet. This would never happen in desktop/server application. Any of the bullet points above would prevent this from happening. Even if the previous bullet point failed to do its job. Am I too naïve? Maybe.
Marek.
Damn, I go to bed early and I miss everything! Thanks for the quick resolution and transparent disclosure, this place is great!
Thank you for your work 🙏
Love the transparency!
We need to learn more about the exploit. Lemmy essentially runs on donations, we all need to support this site. I have a lot of faith in lemmy. I am a reddit refugee and i think it is reminiscent of the early days of reddit and not the pos that it became.
Good thing we all use randomly generated passwords for every account and always remember to change them every few months.
Can we get another admin to sign off on this being authentic? In other words, short of a signed GPG signature how do we trust announcements after a breach where admin accounts are compromised?
Good point. I did post about this on Mastodon @mwadmin@mastodon.world
Thanks for the work. As a heads up it appears most of the block instances are back however I believe explodingheads is still missing which you may want to confirm.
EDIT: it has been added back to the block list.
the details of the vulnerability are already known now anyway since there's a fix that was proposed on the Lemmy GitHub so I don't think it will hurt others to talk about it
FYI: I had to clear my lemmy.world cookies in order to be able to successfully log back in.
(This was with Firefox)
(Edit: I also shift-clicked reload, which somebody pointed out does clean the cache for that page, so I also cleaned the cache).
Thank the heavens the meme community stayed safe through this without my daily dose of cybersecurity memes idk how I would function ;)
How do we know that this isn't a fake announcement as well, trying to give us a sense of security???
Just kidding, thanks for letting us know! Thank god I haven't been too active the last few days! Can't afford my credentials being leaked, maybe I should be proactive and change my password anyways.
Had to clear my browser catch to log in, Jerboa still shows as not logged in even after logging out which you do by clicking the hamburger menu then click the top banner to change/log out of accounts. This post is a test to see if my account works again via browser lol.
Edit: clearing app data/cache for Jerboa fixed the login issue.
Do we have any details on how Michelle's account was compromised? Right now in the GitHub issue about the vulnerability they're clueless about how the custom emoji exploit could be performed without first an already compromised admin account.
EDIT: yeah here's how: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/1895#issuecomment-1629326627
You do NOT need an admin account to do that. Any normal user could have done that.
Hopefully with more attention on the source code scary hacks like this doesn’t happen again.
Took me a bit to realize I actually had to log out and log back in on Jerboa since it looked like I was still logged in but some interactions didn't work
Can I ask some possibly dumb questions?
Thank you!
When you connect to a site, there are a few steps to validate that you are who you say you are (identification and authentication). Something like inputing you login/password. Since it would be tedious to do that on every requests, the first time you give your login/password to the server (this is the simplified version, this exchange is a bit more complex usually) the server gives you that JWT. For every subsequent requests, your browser automatically send that JWT that is simple to handle but hard to counterfeit, and the server safely knows that you're whoever is written in that JWT.
I assume there will be a post here when more details are known, or that this post itself will be updated. As with any online service, it's up to the service to decide if they want to communicate. (it may also be a legal requirements in some places to tell user when such an event occurs). Since we're talking about obtaining other user's authentication token including an admin, it is safe to assume that whatever an admin can see has leaked. This can range from basic user informations to more private stuff, although I am not familiar with the software behind lemmy. Note that this is a worst-case scenario; an admin impersonator could have access to anything an admin could see, it does not mean they immediately dumped everything. It depends on their motivation.
Protection against this kind of stuff Compromission of the JWT can happen in many ways and I don't know which way was used. But if there's a flaw in the software used (the lemmy's client-side code, for example) there is not much you can do. JWT can leak through many things :
Basically, stay up to date and don't use shady stuff. Easy to say, I know.
You guys really have my highest respect for spending so much time to keep this running, despite all the recent trouble and now even an attack.
Thank you very much <3 You guys are awesome and I really appreciate how publicly you deal with this.
That was scary and exciting. Response seems competent and transparent. I ❤️ this place.
I think this is a strong reminder: We shouldn't put all our eggs in one basket. This will happen again. Unlike Reddit, we don't need to concentrate all communities on one instance. We should all make an effort to spread out. Some other general use instances are:
Again, for those new, you can post content to any of these instances and interact with content from other instances at the same time, just like you can send an email from your Gmail account to your ProtonMail account.
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