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  • Browser makers Apple, Google, Microsoft, and Mozilla have announced Interop 2024, a project to promote web browser interoperability.
  • JPEG XL, a potential replacement for JPEG and PNG image formats, was not included in Interop 2024.
  • The rejection of JPEG XL has been blamed on Google, with the Google Chrome team deciding not to support the image compression technology.

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[-] carlytm@lemm.ee 255 points 11 months ago

Am I having a stroke, or is this headline horrendously written?

[-] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 98 points 11 months ago

I read it four times and I still don't understand what love-in means.

[-] Orbituary@lemmy.world 36 points 11 months ago
[-] red_pigeon@lemm.ee 12 points 11 months ago

I still don't understand. WTF are we talking about. This is tech news, not a celeb scandal. Why can't we just use simple words !

[-] Raptor_007@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Why say lot word when few word do trick?

[-] swayevenly@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago
[-] uninvitedguest@lemmy.ca 20 points 11 months ago
[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago

Dinner Party. I think group sex is just implied, right?

[-] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I did decline a event because it said "Dinner Party" in quotes.

When they explained, they meant because it's not really dinner but snacks and board games. Shame. Was expecting orgy

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago

That’s called “Game Night”

Don’t ever go to a game night that is called a “dinner party” anyway. You’re likely to get roped into their self-created board game that is, “okay so it’s got a lot of rules and 1400 pieces, but I’ve written them all down on this 20 page spiral bound document and everyone will get a copy and an hour to read”

P.s. Fuck you Aaron, I will never come to your “dinner party” again.

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[-] ted@sh.itjust.works 44 points 11 months ago

Horrible headline.

Browser maker love-in

Chromium (used by most browsers)

snubs

doesn't support

Google-shunned JPEG XL

JPEG XL (because Google doesn't like it)

[-] psud@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

It was chrome and Firefox both who were against the format, both saying too expensive to implement for too small a benefit

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[-] nikt@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago

Something about love in subs for Google ? And also JPEG?

[-] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org 4 points 11 months ago

I think these days that's the rule, if it piques your interest but you have some trouble understanding headline, you may just click on the article

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[-] wahming@monyet.cc 137 points 11 months ago

What is this bullshit titlegore

[-] TheFriar@lemm.ee 13 points 11 months ago

Right? I read it like three times thinking I was just missing an inflection or something. Jesus

[-] RayJW@sh.itjust.works 74 points 11 months ago

I still won't get over it and will keep fighting for JPEG XL. It would fix so many issues and greatly reduce the bandwidth need of the internet while not either having weird licensing or royalties and / or being a „what if we just took one frame from a video“ picture format. Also it can encode back to JPEG lossless for legacy uses. What more could one want?

[-] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 31 points 11 months ago

Well... Google wants weird licensing or royalties, that's why they keep stamping it down.

[-] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 20 points 11 months ago

I mean there are advantages to using AV1 for photos... Hardware accelerated decoding being one.

Decoding a large AVIF image grid should in theory work on a GPU and happen faster with less power than any software based image format implementation.

AV1 is also just an awesome format that's entirely free to use out of the gate.

[-] RayJW@sh.itjust.works 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Well yes, however without acceleration JPEG XL is many times faster. Also if you only have a CPU for example.

It's also highly parallelizable compared to AVIF which also matters a lot considering the amount of cores is growing with the likes of ARM and hybrid architecture CPU.

AVIF also fairs badly with high fidelity and lossless encoding, has 1/3 the bit depth and pretty small dimension limits for something like photography.

I don't think AVIF is per se a bad format. I just think if I want to replace a photo oriented format I'd like to do that with one that's focused on „good“ photos and not just an afterthought with up- and downsides.

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[-] ElectricAirship@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago

Isn't AV1 exclusively for video recoding? I haven't heard of it being used for photos.

[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 46 points 11 months ago

Thanks to wasm, you don't have to bow to Google's whim and can choose to include jpeg xl support on your websites if you want: https://github.com/niutech/jxl.js

[-] 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 11 months ago

Do you know if it uses the native decoder if available (so, in Safari I guess)? Doesn't say in the readme.

[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I believe so. This line in the source code means it'll only attempt the decoding if an img element for a .jxl image url fails to load.

If you're on safari, you can verify it by going to the demo page at https://niutech.github.io/jxl.js/ and inspect the image element. If the src attributes contain blob, then it's decoded using the wasm decoder. If the src attribute contains url to a .jxl file, then it's decoded natively.

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[-] verysoft@kbin.social 30 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I expected Mozilla to implement this, I don't know how they expect to get marketshare by just following in Google's footsteps every step of the way.
Is Firefox it's own browser or just Chrome with a different engine? Even Apple support jxl, well the decoding anyway.

[-] soulfirethewolf@lemdro.id 12 points 11 months ago

Because Mozilla really doesn't care about what people think anymore. They're an incredibly bureaucratic group dealing with a lot of red tape placed as a force for good that doesn't always meet the mark. It's mainly the reason Firefox doesn't have a lot of things (that it honestly should have)

Also, Firefox is a completely original browser but it doesn't have a "chromium" version the browser like Google Chrome does. Both of the Firefox commercial product and the source code compile to the same thing.

[-] verysoft@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago

I know, it was a rhetorical question given the stance they take on a lot of things always aligning with what Google wants.

[-] Jarix@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Hey friend, for what its worth when i read your question, i was very much channeling this Garth Algar

But with your question about it being its own browser

[-] Orbituary@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Firefox is its own.

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[-] ItsMeSpez@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

"Overall, we don't see JPEG-XL performing enough better than its closest competitors (like AVIF) to justify addition on that basis alone," said Martin Thomson, distinguished engineer at Mozilla, last year. "Similarly, its feature advancements don't distinguish it above the collection of formats that are already included in the platform."

So is this a legit take on the technology? Sounds like an expert in the field is pretty convinced that this file format isn't really worth it's weight. What does JXL give the web that other file formats don't?

[-] vanontom@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Perhaps true from his... perspective. I've found JXL surprisingly awesome and easy to use (size, quality, speed, intuitive encoding options with lossless, supported in XnView & XnConvert for easy batches). AVIF was terrible in real-world use last I tried (and blurs fine details).

I'm still a big Mozilla & Firefox fan, but a few decisions over past few years seem like they're being dictated or vetoed by a few lofty individuals (while ignoring popular user requests). Sad.

[-] exocortex@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 11 months ago

I've read a comparison of several newer file formats (avif, heic, webp) with jpeg-xl. The conclusion was that jpeg-xl was on par in terms of compression, sometimes better and very fast. also it can re-compress jpgs directly.

here's an article describing it https://cloudinary.com/blog/the-case-for-jpeg-xl

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[-] Flipper@feddit.de 23 points 11 months ago

If Google says chromium won't support a feature it won't be used. The majority of browsers are Chromium under the hood.

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