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submitted 10 months ago by L4s@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world

The White House wants to 'cryptographically verify' videos of Joe Biden so viewers don't mistake them for AI deepfakes::Biden's AI advisor Ben Buchanan said a method of clearly verifying White House releases is "in the works."

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[-] recapitated@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

It's a good idea. And I hope to see more of this in other types of communications.

[-] FrostKing@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Can someone try to explain, relatively simply, what cryptographic verification actually entails? I've never really looked into it.

[-] abhibeckert@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Click the padlock in your browser, and you'll be able to see that this webpage (if you're using lemmy.world) was encrypted by a server that has been verified by Google Trust Services to be a server which is controlled by lemmy.world. In addition, your browser will remember that... and if you get a page from the same server that has been verified by another cloud provider, the browser (should) flag that and warn you it might be

The idea is you'll be able to view metadata on an image and see that it comes from a source that has been verified by a third party such as Google Trust Services.

How it works, mathematically... well, look up "asymmetric cryptography and hashing". It gets pretty complicated and there are a few different mathematical approaches. Basically though, the white house will have a key, that they will not share with anyone, and only that key can be used to authorise the metadata. Even Google Trust Services (or whatever cloud provider you use) does not have the key.

There's been a lot of effort to detect fake images, but that's really never going to work reliably. Proving an image is valid, however... that can be done with pretty good reliability. An attack would be at home on Mission Impossible. Maybe you'd break into a Whitehouse photographer's home at night, put their finger on the fingerprint scanner of their laptop without waking them, then use their laptop to create the fake photo... delete all traces of evidence and GTFO. Oh and everyone would know which photographer supposedly took the photo, ask them how they took that photo of Biden acting out of character, and the real photographer will immediately say they didn't take the photo.

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[-] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago

I'm more interested in how exactly you'd implement something like this.

It's not like videos viewed on tiktok display a hash for the file you're viewing; and users wouldn't look at that data anyway, especially those that would be swayed by a deep fake...

[-] cley_faye@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Like you said, the issue is in verification by the end-user. It is trivial to provide a digitally signed (and timestamped) file. It is also trivial to provide trusted tools to verify these files. It is immensely difficult to provide a solution user will care about; which is why more often than not the most people asks companies in the data authenticity business is "can we show a green check on screen? That would be perfect!".

And we end up with something that nobody checks beyond the "it's probably ok" phase. If the goal is to teach the masses about trusting their source, either they have a miracle solution, or it just won't work. (and all that is assuming people actually care about checking the authenticity of the stuff they see, which is not a norm as it is…)

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