Windows 11 24H2 goes from “unsupported” to “unbootable” on some older PCs : technology

[-] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 160 points 10 months ago

It'd ultimately be better for everyone if no PCs could boot windows 11.

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[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 104 points 10 months ago

[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 54 points 10 months ago

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You got downvoted, but that's literally who's catch phrase it is. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

Welcome to Lemmy - where everything is made up and the points don't matter.

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[-] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 90 points 10 months ago

OH NO anyway.

[-] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 25 points 10 months ago

Maybe this will convince more people to switch to linux.

[-] thantik@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago

With the work that Valve is doing on Wine, and Proton, it's really becoming easier and easier to justify the switch.

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[-] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 69 points 10 months ago

People who use Linux don't seem to realize how painful bandaid that is to tear for Windows users. And don't get me wrong, I know Linux supports all of that and more, and in the long run it's better for everyone. But breaking people's habits is a tough achievement to make. People will get use to some pointless tool which is not available for Linux and that's it. Deal broken. Not to mention having multiple tools that your job depends on. Sure you can learn a new thing or two, but that can be also overwhelming for many.

[-] BURN@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago

Mines not even pointless. Lightroom and Photoshop are essentials for my side business, and there isn’t viable alternatives to either.

Linux works for a lot of things, but not everything.

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[-] nutsack@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

i am primarily linux and i cannot completely tear away from windows/mac. there are some use cases where linux just isn't a good tool.

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[-] trk@aussie.zone 12 points 10 months ago

People will get use to some pointless tool which is not available for Linux and that's it.

Irfanview for me!

I'd debate calling it useless, but until irfanview works correctly on Linux (no, it doesn't under WINE) I can't change.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 12 points 10 months ago

Just looked at the feature set as it's been ages and yep, infranview does stuff that gwenview doesn't. For filters more complex than rotate, add basic text etc. I'd open krita, for batching there's imagemagick.

This actually goes into philosophy: UNIX follows the "do one thing, and do one thing well" approach. Imagemagick is a better batcher than infranview, krita is a better editor than infranview, gwenview... well, is a better program to throw at random desktop users just wanting to view an image folder and rotate their snapshots precisely because it is not so overladen with features. Infranview is like if you took winamp and added half of a DAW to it.

It really should run under wine, though, things don't tend to get platinum-rated by accident.

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[-] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 61 points 10 months ago

At this point Microsoft should just be buying me the computer since they make all their money on collecting my data

[-] kick_out_the_jams@kbin.social 56 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

In modern x86 CPUs, POPCNT is implemented as part of the SSE4 instruction set. For Intel's chips, it was added as part of SSE4.2 in the original first-generation Core architecture, codenamed Nehalem. In AMD's processors, it's included in SSE4a, first used in Phenom, Athlon, and Sempron CPUs based on the K10 architecture. These architectures date back to 2008 and 2007, respectively.

That effectively bars mid-2000s Intel Core 2 Duo systems and early Athlon 64-era PCs from booting Windows 11 at all, not that they officially supported it in the first place. This means the change should mainly affect retro-computing enthusiasts who spend their days making YouTube videos in the "we installed Windows 11 on a potato, let's see how it runs" genre rather than users of actual systems.

You can check if your CPU has SSE 4.2(Intel) or 4a(AMD) but it sounds like unless you're running some real old stuff you shouldn't have to worry.

[-] Nougat@kbin.social 25 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

But isn't Microsoft just so evil for making it so their operating system doesn't function flawlessly on twenty year old hardware?

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[-] snownyte@kbin.social 44 points 10 months ago

May I ask - why is anyone bothering to install Windows 11 on old hardware in the first place?

Old hardware is better for Linux. Either install Linux or you can get used to having your old hardware be used as a paperweight.

[-] HC4L@lemmy.world 41 points 10 months ago

In this context an unsupported cpu would be an i7 7700K for example. Hardly e-waste and can perform quite well..

[-] Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

Those aren't supported but they're not affected by this specific change. The latest chips that won't be able to boot are Core 2 Duo and the Athlon X2 chips that predated AMD Phenom. Old old.

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[-] LostXOR@kbin.social 22 points 10 months ago

Or just... Stay on Windows 10? There's nothing wrong with it compared to Windows 11 (though Linux is usually a better choice).

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[-] Gladaed@feddit.de 39 points 10 months ago

Itt: Use Linux Spam. This is not feasible for most users. Not all applicatopns are posted to Linux and some explicitly do not work. In particular for people that play games socially this just does not work. That being said they are unaffected by this change.

[-] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago

Lol. Every Windows article gets spammed to death with yOu ShoUlD uSe LiNuX.

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[-] BURN@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

Seems like this is a constant spam on Lemmy and it’s starting to drive me away from the platform. So much Linux spam.

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[-] pozbo@lemmy.world 39 points 10 months ago

Sudo switch to linux

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 35 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

do hack to make software run on unsupported hardware

software stops working with update

surprised pikachu

“this is why i switched to linux” no shut up lol. this is not an issue for any average user and if you had the ability to hack the TPM requirements you have the ability to fix your borked install. this issue affects no one else. 🙂🙂🙂

[-] Asnabel@szmer.info 30 points 10 months ago

No, the issue is that Microsoft officially supports only two versions of Windows. And support of the older one is ending next year. They are forcing users that are using perfectly capable hardware to artificially switch to - for many - needless new hardware.

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[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago

I've got a solution but y'all will not like it🐧

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[-] feinstruktur@lemmy.ml 33 points 10 months ago

I went to Linux for all private use years ago. And man - I wish so very hard I could simply switch to a non win-native CAD at the job.

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[-] Resol@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

It's penguin time

[-] zarenki@lemmy.ml 13 points 10 months ago

I would not count on all major distros maintaining support for processors as old as Core 2 forever.

RHEL 9 in particular (and by extension CentOS Steam, Alma, Rocky) already dropped support for all of the processors affected by this breakage since 2022.

Linux systems often group these CPU feature set generations into levels, where "x86-64-v2" requires SSE4 and POPCNT (Nehalem/2008 and newer) and "x86-64-v3" requires AVX2 (Haswell/2013 and newer).

Ubuntu and Fedora are already evaluating optimized package builds for both v2 and v3 but haven't announced any plans to drop baseline x86-64 yet; I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen within the next two years. Debian is a relatively safer bet for old hardware.

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[-] dan1101@lemm.ee 20 points 10 months ago

So if you got Win11 to install on an "unsupported" CPU it might not boot now?

Backward compatibility is a big selling point for me. It bugged me for years when Windows got rid of 16-bit compatibility.

Looking forward to Linux instead of Windows 11/12, I know it will be a learning curve but Linux is getting better and easier.

[-] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 29 points 10 months ago

Honestly, it's easier to keep my Debian machine from killing itself than any Windows install.

It seems like Windows actively sabotages itself for no reason.

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[-] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

It's only CPUs lacking a specific extension. Nehalem or newer for Intel or Phenom or newer for AMD will still work. Those CPUs aren't even officially supported by their weird restrictions.

[-] Kraiden@kbin.social 11 points 10 months ago

So this is anecdotal I know, but I work on a Mac, so I've only ever held on to Windows for gaming. (Sidenote: The Mac isn't my choice, either, but it has a terminal, and it does the job)

I've definitely tried to go fully Linux in the past, but it was always gaming that killed it for me. Wine was just never very consistent for me in this area.

Long story but, I recently lost my gaming machine, and was gifted a friends old one. Also a long story, but he ended up putting Linux on it for me. I figured I'd use it as is until payday before buying a key for Windows.

Holy shit gaming on Linux become has easy! Steam/proton is amazing!

I won't lie, it's not always as simple as install and run, but the tweaking that's been required has been orders of magnitude simpler than what it used to be. Click a box 90% of the time, Click a box and add a run parameter for another 5%.

The only games that haven't worked for me are Starfield and Cyberpunk (accounting for the last 5%.)

Starfield might just be too much for this old machine, but Cyberpunk I have no idea. Neither are a huge loss to me when Balders Gate, and Elite Dangerous are running fine. Also long standing favourites like Just Cause 3/4 work perfectly too.

I'm thrilled and a little shocked to say I think I'm finally done with Windows

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[-] TheEntity@kbin.social 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

With all due respect, that sounds very much like what something unsupported would do.

[+] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

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[-] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

Hard disagree. If this was the 80s or the 90s, you would have a case. But nowadays? 14 year old PCs are quite capable for many everyday uses.

The only people trying to convince you that you have to upgrade things every other year are the ones who sell them.

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[-] TotalSonic@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

2025 will likely be way more the year of massive e-waste than the "Year of the Linux Desktop (TM)" - but I still think it is in the realm of possible that Linux market share close to doubles into the 5 to 8 percent range.

While I already regularly use Ubuntu and Ubuntu Touch for my "infotainment" desktops, laptops and tablets - I have 3 desktops in my studio that run Windows 10 that work great for my pro audio work needs, none of which qualify for Windows 11 according to MS's "PC Health Check" app. So I've been investigating running Ubuntu Studio dual booting on one of my machines as a possible way of keeping these boxes going after Win 10 stops getting security updates. Some things look promising, but given I was not able to get the available kernel module device driver to build for my Merging Anubis (which is my main audio interface for my mastering studio) I will likely still need to get a Win 11 box in order to be able to continue my current work flow.

[-] digital_roach@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

Or the year of grand piracy. "Someone I met" told me that while it is nearly impossible to purchase a legit copy, Windows 10 IoT LTSC is going to be supported until 2032. It is truly Windows as its meant to be without tons of bloat, telemetry, ads, and the option to decline feature updates. Scripts readily available on the web to activate the product, runs so cleanly and efficiently.

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[-] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 10 months ago

Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux

[-] JIMMERZ@lemm.ee 14 points 10 months ago

I do use Windows for a lot of specific programs, but this behavior is really pushing me to Linux and to find alternatives to the software I use.

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[-] KuroeNekoDemon@sh.itjust.works 14 points 10 months ago

sudo dnf install fedora-39-workstation-edition

[-] Hule@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

C:/> sudo dnf install fedora39-workstation-edition

Bad command or file name.

C:/>

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