Socialists don't hate markets, they hate workers not having any power or democratic choice in how they interact in the market.

Workers owning the means of production just means the workers are doing the same work but they are in ownership of the factory and the profits. They will still sell the products they produce in a marketplace.

You literally left Reddit because of what capitalism did to it.

The bias is justified. The left is correct. Markets don't create wealth without necessarily simultaneously creating poverty

Wtf is an uncorrupt government?

To paraphrase this cool guy named Ernesto: Its not our fault reality is marxist

I think you will find any place thats well moderated and cracks down on bigotry and hatespeech will skew left.

Weird how that is, huh?

You'll be happy to know there's a social media site just like lemmy run by capitalists. It has all the benefits that capitalist ownership provides.

middle class between what class and what class? the rich class and the having a great time class?

Do conservatives on lemmy ever do anything but whine that they're not immediately worshiped for their opinions?

I know Hexbear skews very, very liberal. I haven't spent much time in other lemmy places.

"Me saying that if I had a genie in a bottle I could marginally improve the world"

If we liked capitalism, we'd still using Reddit

"wealth for many" yeah but not the majority, and oh whoops what happened to the rest? Oh boy would you look at that they're all destitute because capital needs a reserve army of labour in order to function.

Oh whoops would you look at that the market has a tendency to create a monopoly, that's weird.

Oh wait would you look at that the regulations are ineffective because the capitalists hold outsized influence in literally every capitalist "democracy" due to them holding the means of production, them having more resources available, which then gives them more time and ability to influence elections. Oh whoops media is a market and media shapes perception how did that happen?

Corruption isn't a bug, it's a feature.

Reality has a Marxist bias

My experience has been the opposite. I've found that the majority of users tend to lean towards neoliberal and center-right ideologies. I guess most of them are probably American so their warped worldview has them considering these ideologies are 'left-wing' instead 🙃

uncorrupt government

I think you meant "free real estate for the CIA and their a puppet dictators".

It's what happens every time another country doesn't want to sell their natural resources for pennies.

Most would agree with your point - right up until you suggest that having an "uncorrupt government" is remotely possible.

Pretty much the same level of unrealistic idealism as folks who think it's remotely possible to transition a state to communism without it turning into authoritarianism.

There, now I've pissed off everyone lol

Edit: Except, I guess for the hardcore capitalists, but I assume those guys are all too dumb to read, so no point, really 🤷

wealth for many

How many, exactly?

middle class

You mean like the big beautiful boaters talks fondly about? Or the landlords that don't generate any actual value but get rich by literally leeching off of others (who largely do actual work that generates actual value?)

It sure is in here

Markets don't "create wealth". People's work creates wealth. Banks don't create wealth, they create debt and allow more money to go into circulation than actually exists.

Regulation isn't only desired, it's crucial for any market economy to work, lest they devolve into corrupt, abusive monopolies and oligopolies. Granted, bad regulation can be equally abusive and real cases are plentiful.

Just as important as regulation is taxing who has more money, because generating wealth won't automagically distribute it in any ideal manner. The worst problem nowadays is just how easy it is for rich assholes to legally evade taxes no matter which country they're from.

Oh, like China?

Capitalism is just markets. My god. It all makes sense now.

Boot-flavored capitalist Kool-Aid must be so refreshing during such a torrid summer

There is not such thing as middle class, pure sophistic. There are ~~only~~ 2 classes, proletariat and bourgeoisie.

Libs talking about stuff they obviously don't understand? Check.

An incredibly high number of comments politely explaining things? Check.

Libs being snarky and then being surprised when they get the same uncivil attitude right back? Check.

Uh yeah it's hexbear time

What goes beneath the middle class? It's the implication Mac...