Cuba enjoyed massive support from the USSR for decades and it's still an economically backwards shithole. All the US does is refuse to trade with them.

[+] taanegl@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The US is not obligated to trade with any country. And no action the US ever took posed a serious threat to Cuba or the Castro regime. The poor economic state of that nation is largely because of mismanagement under socialist economic policy. They have plenty of trading partners, they just don't have a developed economy because communism doesn't lead to economic development.

[–] AntifaSuperWombat@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Sure, the Bay of Pigs invasion, the Cuban Missile Crisis, hundreds of assassination attempts, supporting Fulgencio Batista’s crimes, etc. all just completely harmless pranks, right? Not a single Cuban was ever harmed or murdered.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Harmless, no, but they didn't destroy the Cuban economy

[–] AntifaSuperWombat@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’m pretty sure that bombing the shit out of Cuba, like many US politicians were planning to do, would have completely destroyed the economy, and you know, more importantly, would have killed a lot of innocent people.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

And I'm sure that if the US had carpet bombed Cuba, then it would have been very destructive. Of course, that never happened, so any attempt to blame the utter failure of Cuban communism to build wealth and increase the economic fortunes of the people of Cuba on a supposed carpet bombing of Havana sounds rather divorced from reality.

[–] somename@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago

The United States actually did bomb Cuba, believe it or not. It wasn't carpet bombing, but at times they totally did drop bombs on Cuban sugar farms. Not to mention the stated back terrorism we inflicted on the Island, which bombed them in a different way.

[–] AntifaSuperWombat@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ugh, wealth is not the most important thing in the world especially considering that it would take over 5 earths if every human wasted as many resources as Freedom People do. That’s neither sustainable nor a smart thing to do. What Cuba instead focuses on is ensuring that every citizen has their basic necessities covered, which the US does not. Healthcare, housing, social security, ... all things that are taken for granted in properly developed countries, as it should. There’s a reason the life expectancy in Cuba is superior to the US.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yes, yes, that's why Cubans defect at every opportunity. The Cuban healthcare system is quite remarkable for such a poor nation. It's just telling that they have to work so hard to keep those doctors captive to it.

[–] AntifaSuperWombat@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They do the complete opposite. They send them to other countries all over South America to help them. Ironically, in the middle of the pandemic some US politicians tried to stop this by threatening sanctions against the countries that made use of Cuba’s aid.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sure, yes, countries which wouldn't harbor Cuban defectors.

[–] AntifaSuperWombat@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Defectors? Dude, your head is filled with so much propaganda shit, I don’t even know what to say. Like do some reading about migration within South America or migration laws in those countries. Just educate yourself instead of dropping some stupid Reddit one-liner.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, yes, everything the tankie doesn't like is propaganda

[–] AntifaSuperWombat@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

Accusing an AnCom of being a Stalinist is definitely a sign that you’ve never bothered to read about politics or political theory from a quality source.

[–] somename@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago

This is so fucking stupid. How do you say something like that and believe it makes sense?

[–] SinJab0n@mujico.org 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The US is not obligated to trade with any country.

Leave it to the free market dude, what's next? Ur gonna tell me they impose arbitrary customs duties, and unfair trade relationships???!!!!

Wait....

[–] muddi@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

634 failed assassination attempts

[–] Fazoo@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah, Tito caught so many he told Stalin to cut the shit or get similar treatment.

[–] somename@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Cuba has a higher life expectancy than the US, by three years. And they accomplished that while being econmically strangled.

What really failed I wonder?

thinkin-lenin

[–] ZombieZookeeper@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Socialism sounds good on paper but human beings are too easily corrupted.

[–] explodicle@local106.com -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So then we need decentralized socialism and not state socialism.

[–] Fazoo@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That removes people from it how? Someone will hold influence, thus power, regardless of how decentralized you get.

[–] explodicle@local106.com 1 points 2 years ago

It doesn't remove people. It reduces the principal-agent problem of representatives you can't instantly replace.