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[-] runwaylights@lemmy.world 53 points 9 months ago

Long. Printers are pretty complicated machines, because they have to work with a natural product that shrinks, expands, folds, rolls itself up and sticks to other pieces of paper. I once heard a printer engineer explain that they use small puffs of air to lift the paper, but because there's also heat involved in the printing process that the paper sometimes rolls itself up or expands which causes jams etc. And I'm sure there's more going on.

Which isn't to say that HP aren't bastards.

[-] DScratch@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago

If we shoot for a much more primitive printer, we’re pretty close.

Something that uses a pen or quill to draw on an unmoving sheet of paper. Kind of like how CNC routers are set up. The gantry moves along the full length and width of the paper.

After that, you can print everything outside the electronics and the quill. Right?

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 35 points 9 months ago

That's just a plotter. Replace the extruder nozzle with a pen and you're there.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

Paper shrinks and expands? What?

[-] Hjalamanger@feddit.nu 20 points 9 months ago

Everything shrinks and expands as you heat/cool it. It's called physics and it's a fucking mess. The more you learn the weirder it gets 😵‍💫

[-] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

God damn physics some much for the immaculate plan. Why did god invent physics anyway?

/s

[-] unreachable@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago

not until the existence of 4D printer, that can print a 3D printer

[-] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago

But wouldn't that mean that you already have a 3d printer that can print a 2d printer? As the 4th "D" is time?

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 14 points 9 months ago

The fourth D is right beside you, even if you can’t see it. It penetrates you everywhere.

The D was inside you the whole time.

[-] robdor@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 9 months ago

Oh wow I must be an expert in 5D then, 6D on special occasions.

[-] fubbernuckin@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

That's why your organs leak out from your ana and kata

[-] irreticent@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

It penetrates you everywhere.

Kinky.

[-] bizzle@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

There are actually a bunch of theoretical spatial dimensions, including 4th. Check out the HYPERCUBE!

[-] key@lemmy.keychat.org 2 points 9 months ago
[-] irreticent@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Schizophrenia on display.

[-] bizzle@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

Holy shit dude that is absolutely unhinged, very glad I saw it. I'll never be the same

[-] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 2 points 9 months ago

Imma 4th deez nuts down ur throat!

[-] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 16 points 9 months ago

You can already 3d print a plotter, which is close.

[-] cynar@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Likely not for a long time.

3D printers aren't a magic make anything tool. They are a versatile and useful addition to our toolboxes.

You could likely print a lot of the parts now. Unfortunately, it would be the "vitamins" that would catch you out. Circuit boards are possible, but difficult. Silicon chips are currently impossible. Print heads would be almost impossible to print too.

Instead, I would expect someone to come up with a more general "auto fabricator". A combination of tools combined with robotics, and a standard set of "vitamin" components. Such a system is perfectly feasible (though not that soon) and could go from raw materials to a functional 2D printer. It could also make a kitchen blender, a new lamp, or whatever you decided you wanted (within reason).

An interesting take is the book series of the bobbyiverse, starting with "We are legion, we are bob". They play around with the limits of 3D printing, and how to go beyond them.

Tl;Dr 3D printers are awesome, but not a "do everything" tool.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 9 months ago

*Silicon. Silicone is a kind of rubber.

[-] cynar@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Damn autocorrect ducking up my messages. Thanks for the heads up.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

If you have enough money, you can technically do so right now. The only thing you wouldn't be able to print assuming money was no object and access to certain tools was readily available are the magnets for the motors. At least I don't think... Can you melt a magnet down and reshape it and it still is magnetic? 🤔

There are metal fab printers and the way circuits are mass produced is also, essentially, 3D printing. You couldn't do a print-in-place type print and make a completed printer. Unless you combined everything into a single unit. Which would be expensive as fuck.

[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 0 points 9 months ago

How much of this thing could be reprap'd?

If you're not going to click the link, it's an HP dot matrix inkjet from 1984 that...doesn't look that complicated to make.

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[-] wargreymon2023@sopuli.xyz 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It is possible right now. OP didn't say an electrical printer, it is 100% doable on old mechanical printing model.

[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Inkjet print heads are MEMS, so the answer would be until we can 3D print those.

[-] UnityDevice@startrek.website 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You can start here: https://hackaday.io/project/176931-hp-printer-cartridge-control-module/details

HP printers are conceptually quite simple devices, the printer just moves the cartridge and the paper. The cartridge does all the actual printing. So you reverse engineer the pinout on the cartridge and you can make your 3d printer do normal printing. That's also how those little handheld cube printers work.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

limx->0 1/x

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