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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Father_Redbeard@lemmy.ml to c/linux@lemmy.ml

I've just started my Linux journey earlier this year. As a goal to learn how to self-host applications and services that will allow me to take back some control of my data. Immich instead of Google Photos, for example.

I have a local server running Unraid and 22 docker containers now. And then a VPS (Ubuntu 20.04 LTS) running two apps. I've learned a ton but one thing I can't seem to wrap my brain around is navigation through the file structure using only terminal. My crutch has been to open a SFTP session in Cyberduck to the same device I'm SSH'd to and try to figure things out that way. I know enough to change directories, make directories, using Tree to show the file structure at different levels of depth. But I feel like I'm missing some efficient way to find my way to files and folders I need to get to. Or are y'all just memorizing it and know where everything is by now?

I come from a Windows background and even then I sometimes catch myself checking via explorer where a directory is instead of using CMD or PowerShell to find it.

I'd love to hear any tips or tricks!

EDIT: I've been using Termius because they have a great Android client, but I wasn't about to pay $5/mo for sync. Especially to sync to someone else's cloud. Which led me to Tabby, which I understand has quite a large footprint resource-wise. But I guess I either don't know enough yet to be mad about it or it hasn't impacted any of my systems negatively yet. No Android client though, but you can bring your own sync solution and it has a handy little shortcut to SFTP to the current directory you're in. Between that and stuff like ranger, it's made it so much easier to learn my way around!

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[-] Euphoma@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

I just type ls everytime I cd into something. It's not that efficient honestly but I usually remember where I want to go after going there a couple times. Also if you hit tab twice after typing cd and a space, it shows all of the files in the directory.

[-] nestEggParrot@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago

Not sure if limited to certain emulators, alt+l should do that for you

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[-] underisk@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Look into your shell’s tab completion abilities, the find command, and fzf. There’s also stuff like midnight commander but I find that to be a little overkill for my tastes.

[-] indigomirage@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

Old school, but I really like midnight commander or mc. Fast and easy.

Another good one is ranger - more concise, but great.

[-] bayaz@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I love ranger. Mostly I just use the basic shell, but when I'm doing a lot of random file transfer, seeing what I'm doing with ranger is nice.

It's super fast and intuitive if you're already into vim and vim-style keybindings.

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[-] icdl@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Not to be "that guy", but you can use a gui file manager to access your files the same way you do so in windows. Most of them support ssh keys as well. If you'd like to check out the cli stuff, nnn or ranger can be useful. Something like midnight as abckup is good too. Definitely install fzf on both your vps and local machine. You can also go over board and run xorg over ssh and run a small window manager, maybe awesomewm or even xfce (not that small but works fine).

[-] Father_Redbeard@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I was speaking more towards my VPS , which of course has no OS GUI. In Unraid I do use the very nice GUI regularly though.

[-] nlm@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

Midnight commander is a pretty nice alternative!

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[-] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

I find that zsh with plugins makes my life very easy. And if I need to quickly find something, fzf works wonders

[-] bahmanm@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

That's a good question 💯 In my case too, it took me some time (read years 😂) to figure out what I'm comfortable w/.

I can think of 3 major ways that you can navigate the filesystem while being able to drop to a shell when you need it:

  • If you're familiar w/ Emacs, you can either:
    • Use dired and tramp on your machine to access/navigate the target machine.
    • Install Emacs (emacs-nox) on the target machine, SSH and then run emacs-nox and voila! No need for tramp in this scenario.
  • Use Midnight Commander (mc) which offers a TUI pretty much like Norton Commander (nc) from the days of yore.
  • Get used to the semi-standard structure of the file system and just use plain Bash (cd, pushd & popd) to move around. That is
    • Understand what usually goes into common directories (like /usr/share or /opt) and try to follow the same pattern when rolling your own software installations.
    • Learn how to use your distro's package manager to query packages and find out where things, like configurations and docs, are stored. Something as simple as rpm -q --list is what you usually need.

HTH

[-] swartze@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Often I don't find myself navigating directories when I reach for my file manager, but looking for something. Learning to use find or fzf gets rid of a fair amount of shuffling through your file system. Also, don't be afraid to type out full paths when performing copy or move commands. There isn't any reason to go to ~~/home/documents/12/directories/deep when you can simply put the path in your ls or other command. And of course, tab complete is your friend (~~/ho[tab}/doc[tab]/12/[tab]/deep, etc...)

[-] rambos@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

I felt the same. Simple tasks I do in terminal, but when I have to deal with too many files and folders I use filebrowser. Its amazing docker container with simple GUI

[-] lckdscl@whiskers.bim.boats 3 points 1 year ago

On my personal computer, zoxide, fzf, fzf tab completion allow me to jump around anywhere quite easily, I still use exa/cd for the most part. Look into this if you need more visualization. I still use a GUI file browser from time to time.

Oh my server though, I still use the default shell, so yes I just memorize where things are. But a trick is to allow for a large history file, and I use the command history search (Ctrl-R) because I tend to run the same things constantly. My setup helps too, I run things in docker, and have a data and a config directory, things go into each accordingly, and I bind mount those directories instead of using volumes.

If you edit config files a lot, in vim or nvim, :bro old will give you a list of files you recently edited and you can jump to them by inputting a number.

[-] wurosh@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

https://github.com/agkozak/zsh-z

Any directory in the filesystem is less than 5 key presses away

[-] Zucca@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

cd, find, pushd, popd and last but not least nnn.

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[-] TheFriendlyArtificer@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Vifm is ridiculously customizable but also assumes that you're competent with the modal paradigm of Vim.

If you're in a WM, you can use a terminal emulator with SIXEL support (Alacritty is no longer maintained but Wezterm is great) and you can get image previews as well.

Even on a headless server, I love being able to predefine bookmarks.

A simple workflow would be, 'e goes to '/etc/'. HJKL to whatever directory I want, ZZ, then there I am.

There's so much more that can be done, though.

Edit: It looks like alacritty is alive! No idea why I had thought that it had been abandoned. Apologies for the accidental gaslighting.

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[-] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I'm surprised I didn't see fasd fasd (pronounced 'fast') uses 'frecency' (frequency + recently) in order to jump to or open your most frecent documents or directories. A dumber version is z which works as a supliment to cd

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