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[–] multitotal@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Advance?! I thought NATO was a defensive pact. Huh...

[–] NikkiB@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They love to have it both ways.

[–] multitotal@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Cognitive dissonance is required for liberals.

[–] davel@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The two excuses that my well educated, well-heeled Burgerland lib peers have given me so far:

[–] beardown@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Why didn't Russia or China veto the UN Security Council resolution on Libya in 2011?

Never thought about it at the time, but seems weird that they simply abstained. Doubt that is what would occur today

[–] darkcalling@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago

While I cannot say for certain, I think there's something to be said about them both maneuvering to get on the US's good side in the post-cold-war, US total hegemony era of geopolitics.

Russia for its part really wanted to be part of NATO and join with western capitalism, something it was eventually denied and eventually realized it would never get.

China on the other hand still had the US as its largest trading partner and was trying to grow its productive forces and move up the value chain without drawing attention to itself or making itself a target or enemy of the US. To do that not getting in the way of US goals was probably necessary as if they started vetoing things like the old Soviet Union the attention and the anger and attacks on them likely would have started sooner. One can argue endlessly about what they should have done, the impacts, etc, it was simply caution on their part and biding their time while they built their own power and diversified their interests beyond the US and its vassals in Europe.

Basically everyone was letting the US do its thing and there's a good chance we must remember that even without UN approval the US may very well have done many things anyways in the late 2000s/early 2010s in its position as hegemon.

[–] multitotal@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago

I wondered about that too. I'm guessing the US made some concessions to Russia in Libya.

[–] Franfran2424@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago

They still tried to befriend the west at the time.

And they fucked up, Putin reacted only after seeing gaddafi killed.

[–] multitotal@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Ukraine was in the coalition of the willing, yet they say Ukraine was pro-Russia before 2014.

[–] OmniDeficient@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 1 year ago

democracy
/dĭ-mŏk′rə-sē/

noun

  1. The opposite of democracy.
[–] chesmotorcycle@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fuck Firefox for recommending this to me as well. Couldn't bring myself to read it though.

[–] davel@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What? My Firefox doesn’t recommend things to me, and if it did I’d disable that shit immediately.

[–] NikkiB@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I believe it's a browser extension, "Pocket" or something.

[–] chesmotorcycle@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Yep, it's Pocket, and it's enabled by default in desktop Firefox. Normally I ignore most of its recommendations, but this one was too heinous to overlook.

[–] Red_Scare@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pocket is awesome btw. Not for recommendations, for saving articles to read in the future. It's supported by Kobo so if you have it, save any long form article with a single click in Firefox, and then when you have time read it in your Kobo. Also works with books published on marxists.org etc. Great stuff.

[–] NikkiB@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I do rather like it, but mostly because I use it for lemmygrad fodder, like this article. I'm in the stone age lol. I copy and paste links into the notes app on my Mac...

[–] taiphlosion@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago

Lol "journal of democracy"