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[-] notleigh@aussie.zone 59 points 5 months ago

“Having escaped the lion’s den, Mr Lehrmann made the mistake of going back for his hat"

Is there any way this could have gone worse for him?

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 13 points 5 months ago

Is there any way this could have gone worse for him?

Coulda been a full Oscar Wilde and resulted in charges being brought back to him after they had otherwise already been dropped.

[-] Instigate@aussie.zone 11 points 5 months ago

When Mr Lehrmann faced criminal trial for sexual assault in the ACT Supreme Court in 2022, he was provided with material that both parties could have used to mount their arguments.

This material was not meant to be made public, because it was never used in open court. This is known as the Hearne v Street obligation.

However, it aired on the Seven Network's exclusive Spotlight interview with Mr Lehrmann.

Mr Lehrmann repeatedly gave evidence in his defamation case, on at least four occasions, that he did not provide Seven with anything more than an interview.

Justice Lee said he was "satisfied" Mr Lehrmann made false representations to the court about at least part of this material.

"In the absence of any other explanation, the inescapable conclusion is that Mr Lehrmann provided access to Mr Llewellyn to the relevant photographs," he said.

While conceding he was "not some sort of roving law enforcement official", Justice Lee left the door open for another court to pursue the alleged breach of the Hearne v Street obligation.

There seems to be a potential new path of legal inquiry here aside from any potential new case by the ACT. Punishments aren’t severe, but he could basically be found in contempt of court and fined or (unlikely) imprisoned.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-15/act-bruce-lehrmann-defamation-trial-judgment-five-key-takeaways/103706716

[-] anathema_device@bne.social 5 points 5 months ago

@notleigh @vividspecter only if he'd been arrested as he'd walked out of the court :)

[-] maegul@lemmy.ml 43 points 5 months ago

Streisand effect turned up to 11 ... Lehrmann's wikipedia page now opens with:

Bruce Lehrmann is a former political staffer who raped a colleague at Parliament House, Canberra.

emphasis mine

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Someone in the Brissy Discord mentioned they were surprised the page hadn't been locked. So I did some digging.

Turns out, the page has basically only existed since today. Up until then, it would just redirect you to the "2019 rape allegation by Brittany Higgins" section of the page "2021 Australian Parliament House sexual misconduct allegations". Today, the page was created for real, and has been edited by 9 users making a total of 20 edits. That opening has been altered to be a little more legally safe.

The sidebar still says "Known for: Rape at Parliament House" though.

[-] maegul@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago

And it seems they've clarified it even more now:

Bruce Emery Lehrmann is a former political staffer who was found in a civil court trial at the Federal Court of Australia, on the balance of probabilities, to have raped a colleague at Parliament House, Canberra.

Still a banger of an opening line on one's wikipedia page!

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 4 points 5 months ago

Without going back in the history again and checking, I think that's the exact wording I saw when I said they changed it "to be more legally safe".

[-] Ilandar@aussie.zone 16 points 5 months ago

So what (if anything) is next?

[-] dbilitated@aussie.zone 27 points 5 months ago

he's got a hearing on another rape trial in June. here's hoping for some justice

[-] maniacalmanicmania@aussie.zone 13 points 5 months ago

I don't know anything about the law, the first paragraphs says:

Bruce Lehrmann has lost his defamation case against Network Ten and Lisa Wilkinson, bringing to an end a sprawling legal saga which has gripped the nation.

Really? No more legal stuff? Lehrmann can't take this further?

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 11 points 5 months ago

Like @anathema_device@bne.social said, he could appeal. But the judge also ruled that if he had needed to award damages, they would have been very low. So if he did appeal, he'd have to not only prove that the judgment was wrong to go against him, but also that damages should have been much higher. That makes the idea of an appeal much less...appealing.

Mr Lehrmann would have been entitled to more than a nominal award but as the above analysis demonstrates, his award of ordinary compensatory damages would be very modest. Hence any augmentation of damages occasioned by the aggravating conduct, comes from a very low base. If it had been necessary to assess damages in favour of Mr Lehrmann, the appropriate and rational relationship between the actual harm sustained and the damages awarded would lead to total damages of $20,000.

[-] AnneFrandiCoory@mastodon.nz 8 points 5 months ago

@maniacalmanicmania @Ilandar Lehrmann is a low life who has powerful and rich backers like Channel Seven ....they deserve each other!

[-] anathema_device@bne.social 3 points 5 months ago

@maniacalmanicmania @Ilandar he could appeal, but he won't

[-] anathema_device@bne.social 8 points 5 months ago

@Ilandar @vividspecter if there was any justice, it would be a retrial of the original charge of raping Brittany Higgins :(

[-] kowcop@aussie.zone 7 points 5 months ago

I guess it is his Toowoomba rape trial

[-] Fluid@aussie.zone 4 points 5 months ago

Balance of probabilities? "More likely than not"? Is this usual for these types of legal cases?

I was under the impression decisions had to be made "beyond a reasonable doubt" and justice was based on an onus to prove guilt (e.g. innocent until proven guilty).

This seems an insanely dangerous way of determining guilt.

[-] maegul@lemmy.ml 47 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It's a civil case. There is no "guilt" here. No one is going to jail or gaining a criminal record. There is no criminality.

Instead, there's a judgment as to whether one has executed their civil responsibilities. And for such cases, the burden is "on the balance". IE, what is more likely.

Here, AFAIU (I haven't followed the case), someone in the media stated that Lehrmann raped someone, Lehrmann sued them for defamation, to which the basic/obvious defence, and the one employed by the media person, is that the statement in question is true. It was found, on the balance of probabilities, that the statement was true (or more likely true than not).

The line from the judge “Having escaped the lion’s den, Mr Lehrmann made the mistake of going back for his hat", AFAICT, is a reference to how Lehrmann escaped being criminally convicted (and luckily so IIRC) but then found it necessary to bring this defamation case.

Now we know he probably did it and most people if they saw all the evidence would probably conclude the same. Maybe not certainly enough to throw him in jail (though we don't know that) but certainly enough to say "fuck off with this defamation shit".

edit: spelling

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 11 points 5 months ago

someone in the media stated that Lehrmann raped someone

So, I also haven't followed the case very closely, but AIUI, it actually wasn't even that. Brittany Higgins merely went to the media and stated that she was raped by her former boss. Lehrmann merely claimed that it was obvious she was talking about him from her statements.

[-] Fluid@aussie.zone 7 points 5 months ago

Thanks for clarifying.

[-] sqgl@beehaw.org 2 points 5 months ago

The line from the judge “Having escaped the lion’s den, Mr Lehrmann made the mistake of going back for his hat"

is not original but had many colorful turns of phrase which you can read here.

[-] thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe 23 points 5 months ago

Am lawyer, "beyond reasonable doubt" is for criminal charges. "Balance of probabilities" is for civil cases ie where jail is not a penalty option.

Defamation is civil.

[-] Fluid@aussie.zone 5 points 5 months ago

Thanks! Good to know, that makes sense.

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 10 points 5 months ago

There was a criminal trial a while back, but it was declared a mistrial after some jury fuckery. They declined to re-prosecute because of the detrimental effect it would have on Higgins' mental health. As others have said, this is a civil trial, specifically, Lehrmann trying to sue the people Higgins went to in the media to tell her story for defaming him.

Truth is a defence to defamation, so proving that the claims were true (in this case, as others have said, to the balance of probabilities, rather than beyond all reasonable doubt) is a way to win a defamation case as a defendant.

[-] TrippaSnippa@aussie.zone 6 points 5 months ago

This was a defamation case, i.e. a civil case. Ten's defence was that their imputation that Lehrmann raped Higgins was substantially true, so the judge had to rule on whether or not the rape happened. It is not a criminal conviction and there won't be one in this case because the criminal trial was abandoned due to juror misconduct.

[-] 404@aussie.zone 6 points 5 months ago

Not a lawyer, but I believe the level of proof depends on whether its a civil trial like this one, or a criminal trial, like the previous one which fell apart after juror misconduct. So basically the level of proof is lower when it's about dollars rather than jail time.

[-] notfromhere@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago

Why do people feel the need to downvote when someone asks a question? This sucks for discourse. Assume good faith and downvote the trolls.

[-] Ilandar@aussie.zone 1 points 5 months ago

Just turn off votes altogether, they don't make any difference AFAIK. I didn't even know that comment was downvoted until you brought it up.

[-] notfromhere@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

It affects ranking and works decently to put the best comments near the top and the bad comments toward the bottom.

[-] Ilandar@aussie.zone 1 points 5 months ago

There are so few comments here that it doesn't actually make any difference. Unless you only ever read the top comment or something.

[-] autotldr 2 points 5 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Bruce Lehrmann has lost his defamation case against Network Ten and Lisa Wilkinson, bringing to an end a sprawling legal saga which has gripped the nation.

In a live oral summary that took two and a half hours, Justice Michael Lee said the former Liberal staffer was not defamed by Wilkinson and Ten when The Project broadcast an interview with Brittany Higgins on Monday 15 February 2021 in which she alleged she was raped in Parliament House.

“In summary, I consider it more likely than not in those early hours, after a long night of conviviality and drinking and having successfully brought Ms Higgins back to a secluded place, Mr Lehrmann was hellbent on having sex with a woman he found attractive” and knew was inebriated, Lee said.

Lehrmann denied the rape allegations and pleaded not guilty at his trial in the Australian Capital Territory supreme court, which was aborted due to juror misconduct.

In The Project interview, Higgins told Wilkinson she was sexually assaulted on a couch in the office of her then boss, former defence industry minister Linda Reynolds, in the early hours of Saturday 23 March 2019.

In the witness box over five days Lehrmann admitted telling three different stories – including two that were lies – about the reason for his after-hours visit to Parliament House with Higgins after a night out in Canberra.


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[-] maculata@aussie.zone 1 points 5 months ago

I think the correct response is: “Duuuh!!????”.

The guy is a fucking creep. Just LOOK at him. Guilty as sin.

[-] Outsider9042@aussie.zone 1 points 5 months ago

Ok Franz Joseph Gall

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