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[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 56 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/review-of-politics/article/abs/on-the-woman-question-in-machiavelli/E311D336805BA0CF5611E6B79C1EC603

Extract

Although Machiavelli has been widely condemned as a misogynist, his three central political works feature dozens of women who engage in efficacious and often praiseworthy political action. To appreciate fully the character and value of their activity and ultimately Machiavelli's views on women as potential political agents, one must first carefully attend to his conception of animo. Usually translated as “spiritedness,” animo represents the natural assertiveness, energy, and resoluteness that forms the basis of virtù if properly disciplined – usually by a city's modes and orders. By examining the plight of women, however, Machiavelli turns to those persons who stand outside the city's political institutions and thus tend to exercise unbridled animo, for better or for worse. In addition to revealing his deep preoccupation with political outsiders, Machiavelli's appreciation of the political problems associated with womanhood also discloses one of his most radical impieties-the denaturalization of gender norms, an impiety we are only beginning to appreciate today

🤷 I am definitely not a philosopher or political scientist.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It shows our failure as a species that most people don't understand that Machiavelli's most famous work was satire.

[–] something_random_tho@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The Prince was certainly not satire. He wrote it to Lorenzo de Medici with the intention of being hired as his advisor. The entire book is specific instructions of how to rule for this very purpose. Of course he wasn't hired, since the book boils down to "be as duplicitous as you can be to get what you want."

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"be as duplicitous as you can be to get what you want."

Ok, maybe I'm missing it then. I thought that made it obvious satire. Is this another Poe's law situation?

[–] something_random_tho@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, Machiavelli sincerely argued for this kind of extreme pragmatism--do whatever's necessary to get what you want. It was wasn't satire. It's pretty obvious why he didn't get the job as advisor, though.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Well shit. I got Poe'd by a dead man.

[–] objectionist@sh.itjust.works 51 points 1 year ago (2 children)

you can’t just put a rounded rectangle with a fraction in it and not expect me to swipe to the next photo smh

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Here, have a random 2nd photo.

[–] Magnetar@feddit.de 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But it doesn't say 2/2 on it!

[–] oce@jlai.lu 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] NucleusAdumbens@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm afraid the horse will eat the pepper. Is it in any danger?

[–] oce@jlai.lu 1 points 1 year ago

The lady at the bottom left is waiting for it, and she's a horse girl, it will not pass.

[–] objectionist@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

i love it, thank you

[–] OozingPositron@feddit.cl 2 points 1 year ago

Thank God, I can kill myself now.

[–] uranibaba@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I thought I was missing part of the joke, had to come to the comments to make sure.

[–] Byoomf@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just spent 20 seconds trying to swipe to the next image.

[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

you got off easy. some of us have been trying for minutes

[–] rugburn@lemmynsfw.com 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is false. That's clearly not Tupac.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's Tupac's hologram, the real Tupac is Asian.

And he's in Cuba

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

You know, this makes me think why arranged/forced marriages were the norm in the past. Dating is hard by its nature even with today's "convenience" of digital technology.