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[-] oehm@midwest.social 37 points 6 months ago

It seems that they never intended to enforce this to current gun owners because they knew they wouldn’t comply. It is more of a measure that they will enforce going forward on future generations of gun owners.

[-] Wrench@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

At the very least, they should be slam dunks for crime enhancements. If they commit a crime, and the illegal firearm is found in their possession, that should tack on some hefty penalties.

[-] dmention7@lemm.ee 30 points 6 months ago

It's honestly kinda wild how many comments here are in favor of cops kicking down doors to enforce this law.

I know, I know, Lemmy isn't a singular person. But it's rare to see the anti-gun crowd advocating for aggressive police action--apparently it's okay just because they are gun owners?

I absolutely believe we'd be better off with less guns floating around this country, but that necessarily is going to be a slow generational shift unless you're advocating for violent standoffs between well-armed citizens and an even more well-armed state.

[-] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago

Agreed, I am a very liberal person and I see other liberals far too often falling into the 'benevolent dictator' trap.

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[-] cacheson@kbin.social 6 points 6 months ago

Strong gun control requires a police state, and it's advocates are okay with this. Some of them (mostly suburbanites and the like) just imagine that that police state will never be directed against them.

Others are capitalists that actively want to inflict a police state on the rest of us, for their own benefit. It's a lot easier to break strikes and enforce "work discipline" when the working class is disarmed.

[-] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago

Strong gun control requires a police state

False. Unless you are saying every other country in the world with strong gun control laws is a police state. Which is also false.

[-] Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

And some aren't even strawmen...they recognize the police state is already directed against them and guns haven't solved the problem...just made it easier for police to pull the trigger because they're all terrified for their lives.

Personally, I've yet to see a single American successfully use guns to protect any other constitutional right from government infringement.

I have seen lots of examples like Waco and Ruby Ridge, where the government should have tried harder to deescalate, but in the end, everyone died. The closest example I can think of where the government did backoff was the Bundy standoff and all those guys were "defending" was their ability to let their cattle graze illegally on federal land because they didn't want to pay for access like everyone else.

[-] cacheson@kbin.social 6 points 6 months ago

Personally, I’ve yet to see a single American successfully use guns to protect any other constitutional right from government infringement.

The Battle of Athens is probably the most uniquely clear-cut example of what you're asking for, unless we count the American Revolutionary War itself.

Other successful examples mostly involve activists using non-violent protest to push for change, while using firearms to protect themselves from violent reactionaries that would otherwise murder them. Notably, the civil rights movement of the 1950s and 60s. For a modern example, there's various "John Brown Gun Clubs" and other community defense organizations providing security at LGBTQ events against fascist groups that seek to terrorize event-goers.

It's also worth noting that resistance is often worthwhile even if it doesn't result in unqualified victory. For example, the Black Panthers' armed cop-watching activities saved a lot of Black folks from brutal beatings at the hands of the police, even if the organization was eventually crushed by the federal government.

I have seen lots of examples like Waco and Ruby Ridge, where the government should have tried harder to deescalate, but in the end, everyone died. The closest example I can think of where the government did backoff was the Bundy standoff and all those guys were “defending” was their ability to let their cattle graze illegally on federal land because they didn’t want to pay for access like everyone else.

It sounds like you might be in a bit of a filter-bubble. I don't mean any offense by this, it's a normal thing that tends to happen to people. If the news sources you read and the people you talk to don't mention these things because it doesn't mesh with their worldview, how would you hear about them?

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[-] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago

just made it easier for police to pull the trigger because they're all terrified for their lives.

Police brutality isn't a product of fear. They treat armed crowds with more respect than groups they assume to be unarmed.

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Some of us are just sick of reading about mass shootings every couple days.

[-] misanthropy@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago

What the anti gun crowd doesn't get is, saying you have a mental health issue blocks you from getting em, so people are going to bottle shit up because one moment of weakness might cost you your right for a lifetime. It actively discourages people from getting help.

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[-] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago

It’s not rare to see the anti gun crowd advocating police violence.

[-] Liz@midwest.social 2 points 6 months ago

While it's to true that we too often talk about groups of people like they're individuals, it's also true that very few people actually bother to have underlying principles for their opinions, much less stick to those principles when they get in the way of a short-term goal.

[-] Soggy@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

If you don't stick to them then they aren't principles, they're opinions.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago

So what are you gonna do? Send the cops to kill them? Because that's how it plays out.

And then there's the apocryphal boating accident. Prove I still have the guns.

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

If you jump straight to shooting when cops show up to take your toys, it's a pretty good bet you never should have had them in the first place.

If you "lost" it they should tear your fucking house apart with a warrant to make sure it's really gone.

[-] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

If you “lost” it they should tear your fucking house apart with a warrant to make sure it’s really gone.

It blows my mind that some people think this course of action would be ok, and that it wouldn't be abused by the authorities.

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[-] BassaForte@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

~~We cool with police and government just barging into our homes and taking our property that we purchased legally with our own money now?~~

EDIT: FWIW, I misunderstood the title. I thought it was banned guns, not people banned from having guns (due to felonies, etc.). This is a bit different.

[-] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

What are you going to do? Shoot at cops executing a lawful search warrant?

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[-] spyd3r@sh.itjust.works 14 points 6 months ago

Protip: don't ever get diagnosed with a mental illness.

[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

If they know who they are, they are complicit in the violation by letting them continue

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