[-] AceTKen@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 days ago
[-] AceTKen@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 days ago

Fair warning: The account you're arguing with is a troll account who bad-faith argues with everyone, as evidenced by their post history - they often simply have their posts deleted by mods. It's best to block and move on.

As much as I hate echo chamber-ing, when it comes to trolls, it is occasionally required.

[-] AceTKen@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

or would you care to restate everything poorly and in bad faith once again

You weren't supposed to pick this option.

The post you're citing was not the 7 month old one I was referencing anywhere. Also, the one you cherry-picked was from a year ago and isn't anti-vegan either. It's anti-logically unsound argument (kind of like this one here). I can agree with a stance and disagree with the reason someone does something. I agree with multiple reasons to be vegan explicitly in the post you cite.

And escalating the issue is in concern about the hundreds of rampant bannings, not the veganism.

Also, if that was what you call a parody, you are pretty terrible at parody.

[-] AceTKen@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

For full clarity of what occurred (and not that my diet is any of your concern, but since you brought it up):

  1. I am not vegan, but have been greatly reducing my meat intake and have been toying with going vegetarian.
  2. I was kicked from a vegan Community I have never posted in and was about to do for the first time to thank someone for something I found interesting.
  3. I do not know why I was kicked from a vegan Community. The reason was cited as a rule that I did not violate. I found hundreds of other bans while looking for why I was banned.
  4. I did not argue against veganism. 7 months ago, I did argue in favour of plants as plants are awesome. This should be irrelevant to what occurred with these bans.
  5. I did all discussion in a single thread specifically created to discuss veganism in a discussion Community on a completely different instance.
  6. The Strawman comment is you claiming I'm somehow screaming "1984" because of the ban. I am not.
  7. You are being needlessly combative and creating arguments based on assumption. That is the definition of a strawman.
  8. My original post here was made out of confusion, not malice.

Is that enough for you to parse what has occurred, or would you care to restate everything poorly and in bad faith once again?

[-] AceTKen@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 days ago

The issue (they’re banning people left and right) Concerns (e.g. they might be gaming the system), This thread (to show that it isn’t just your personal pet peeve, plenty people are pissed.)

Done! I appreciate the pointers as I would have never known about this on my own.

[-] AceTKen@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 days ago

The last time I spoke about veganism whatsoever was over 7 months ago.

Not to mention that it was specifically in a debate thread dedicated to discussing veganism, nor was I overly negative.

Was this intended to be a strawman of some kind?

[-] AceTKen@lemmy.ca 21 points 6 days ago

That was kind of what I was attempting to do here. Is there another way to do that?

[-] AceTKen@lemmy.ca 9 points 6 days ago

Nope. I haven't spoken to or about vegans or veganism for months since my Community had a discussion thread many months ago on it.

[-] AceTKen@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 days ago

But even then, I'm a lemmy.ca user. I just posted it here because it's their instance.

[-] AceTKen@lemmy.ca 16 points 6 days ago

But I'm very much not a troll, nor was there any interaction?

[-] AceTKen@lemmy.ca 9 points 6 days ago

But there was no interaction with them at all?

[-] AceTKen@lemmy.ca 20 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I'm kinda dumbfounded. I've only posted (or commented) once in the past nine days. The one that happened to be at a similar time was this comedy one on a completely different Community on a different instance for a goofy anime question. Did... did I really just get banned from talking to vegans for... not liking anime?

This might be peak stupid internet if so.

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I tend to browse /All and by New on Lemmy. I went to respond on a thread on !vegan@lemmy.world to thank someone for a recipe that looked good, and found out I had been banned.

Odd, considering I hadn't posted to that sub at any point in the past. I checked the modlog to find that "Mod" had banned a bunch of people citing "Rule 5."

Their Rule 5 states: Bad-faith carnist rhetoric & anti-veganism are not allowed, as this is not a space to debate the merits of veganism. Anyone is welcome here, however, and so good-faith efforts to ask questions about veganism may be given their own weekly stickied post in the future (see current stickied discussion).

I (and hundreds of others) seemingly broke rule 5 of this community without ever posting there. What is going on?

And my apologies if this isn't the place for this, but I had no idea where else to post the question.

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submitted 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by AceTKen@lemmy.ca to c/actual_discussion@lemmy.ca

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This weekly thread will focus on the sometimes painful art of being wrong.

I don't mean not having an opinion and then forming one, I mean having an opinion, and then having that opinion changed with new or more accurate information.

Some Starters (and don’t feel you have to speak on all or any of them if you don’t care to):

  • When was the last time you were wrong? What about something somewhat major?
  • What was it regarding?
  • How did it make you feel?
  • What do you feel is the best way to correct someone with an ingrained opinion?
  • Is it easier online or in person?
  • When do you give up on talking to someone?
  • Would you be open to a new thread type here where we create a Steelman post as a group? (eg. We start from questions and end up at THE post / article for finding information on a touchy subject)
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This weekly thread will focus on debate, discussion, and the lack thereof on social media (including Lemmy).

My apologies for "leading" a bit more than I try to normally in these weekly threads, however this is a topic that pisses me off in particular. Not only as a mod of a discussion-based community, but as someone who loves it when someone challenges me and proves me wrong / disproves my logic so I'd very much like to hear outside opinions on the topic. I can't even partially understand how people don't want to have a more cohesive / logically sound opinion.

Some Starters (and don’t feel you have to speak on all or any of them if you don’t care to):

  • Do you feel that discussion is worse now? If so, what caused it? If not, where may others get this feeling from?
  • Is it potentially a platform issue, or does it happen everywhere?
  • Does discussion even matter any longer? Why or why not?
  • Do you feel that more could be done to encourage discussion with outside views or are we better off just "bubble"-ing ourselves and blocking everyone we disagree with?
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This weekly thread will focus on the word "Woke" and its meaning, use, and misuse.

Some Starters (and don’t feel you have to speak on all or any of them if you don’t care to):

  • What does the word mean to you?
  • Is it applied correctly or incorrectly?
  • Is it even applicable any longer?
  • Do you feel that Conservative media misapplies it, and is "everything I don't like is woke" an appropriate sentiment or simply uncharitable?
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This weekly thread will focus on words, their import, and their use / misuse.

With respect to the late, great George Carlin.

Some Starters (and don’t feel you have to speak on all or any of them if you don’t care to):

  • How do you feel about political (or forced) movement of language? For example, pro-life and pro-choice being two sides of the same issue because nobody wants to identify as "anti-"anything.
  • What are some words that are nebulous, but everyone "knows" the meaning of?
  • Are there any manipulated words that annoy you?
  • Do you find any common patterns with how words are used by various groups?
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This weekly thread will focus on getting other people to watch movies we love, but others may not have seen or even know about.

In order to make a recommendation or two, simply let others know an appropriate amount about a movie and why they should give it a chance.

If you want to deeply discuss one, please remember to use Spoiler tags where applicable!

Some Starters (and don’t feel you have to speak on all or any of them if you don’t care to):

  • Great bad movies
  • Hilarious garbage for a big group movie night
  • Best genre movies
  • Underrated films
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This weekly thread will focus on the phrase "The Cruelty Is The Point", which may take some explanation.

Frequently on Lemmy (and elsewhere), I see the phrase in comment threads. In my experience, it has been referencing any policy that is contrary to a Liberal or Leftist belief that the thread discusses. I have found the phrase when discussing trans issues, housing, taxes, healthcare, abortion, and many more.

This does not mean it doesn't exist elsewhere, it is simply where I see it since I spend much of my social media time on Lemmy. If your experience differs, please let us know!

Some Starters (and don’t feel you have to speak on all or any of them if you don’t care to):

  • Do you believe this? If so, why?
  • Is it true / false in some or all scenarios?
  • Is it with certain groups or regarding certain things?
  • Do you feel that speech like this is conducive to fixing societal issues?
  • Is what is considered "kind" always the best course of action?
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This weekly thread will focus on Protests, both effective and ineffective.

Over the past 15 years, we've seen more protesting since the 1960's in North America. Some feel they are needed, and some feel they are wasteful and silly.

Some Starters (and don’t feel you have to speak on all or any of them if you don’t care to):

  • Have you ever taken part? What was it and why?
  • What protests have you felt have been effective or ineffective?
  • If you feel they are not effective in general, what would you rather people do?
  • Have you ever had your opinion swayed by any form of protest? Please note that this could be either to the side of the protesters or away from their cause.
  • How would you try to ensure a successful protest?
  • Do you feel that violent protest is mostly uncalled for? If not, how do you know when you need to escalate things?
  • Just for fun, what is the absolute worst protest you've ever heard of?
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This weekly thread will focus on work and work culture.

This has been a back-burnered issue since COVID came and upended many workplace traditions worldwide, but I'd really like to hear about what you all think about it!

Some Starters (and don't feel you have to speak on all or any of them if you don't care to):

  • What is the ideal work / life balance? Right now, the worldwide average is 5 days per week, 8-5 PM. Is this too much / too little / just right?
  • With productivity skyrocketing and wages falling, what would you like to see to fix things?
  • Would you accept less money and shorter hours?
  • What would you feel minimum wage should do to adjust?
  • Do you feel that the current resurgence of Unions is positive or negative?
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No, it's not a joke. I'm frustrated and I'm probably not choosing my words carefully.

This community has had steadily falling engagement - our last 3 weekly threads have had a grand total of 1 (excellent and well-articulated) response, and the number of topics not generated by myself (or the other mod) since the inception of the community has also been 1.

Very few people want to actually talk. From what I've seen, the masses want the same things that they wanted on Reddit:

  1. Memes
  2. Articles they don't read (but will bitch about endlessly) that reinforce their opinion
  3. Angry responses to someone (who may be trolling) that reinforce the current politics of the reader (that they couldn't have given a fuck about a few years ago until it became heavily politicized)
  4. Shitty easy jokes
  5. Personal politics circlejerking

I hate that I can see a hundredth point-free meme post and view 200 replies on it. I hate that it's just the same talking points being strawmanned over and over again in every thread. I hate that any point outside common groupthink is downvoted to oblivion and buried instead of discussed.

The reason I'd like to back away from Lemmy seems to be the same reason I started this community: we need more people who can articulate points, and less downvoting, but it doesn't seem to be getting better.

Maybe one day, but today is not that day. Lemmy needs to mature in more ways than one.

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This weekly thread will focus on current political divisiveness occurring nearly worldwide. I'd post links, but I feel that everyone knows what I'm speaking about.

This issue has been especially prevalent in American politics as of late, but it is felt nearly everywhere.

Some Starters:

  • What do you feel has caused it? Add proofs if possible.
  • Once caused, what has added to it and why?
  • What can be done to ameliorate the issue, if anything? On a personal scale or a national one.
  • Can it be remedied or is civil war the only option?
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This week’s Weekly discussion thread we will focus on Activism, both positive and negative.

Here is the definition we will be using, so please make sure your argument matches.

Some starters:

  • What would you classify as effective forms of activism?
  • What are ineffective forms of activism?
  • How does a group know when their mission is achieved? What if the mission is ambiguous or changes over time?
  • Do you feel they stop too early or too late?
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