@mike @nokturne213 I fully agree from this, especially with corporate's push to minimize costs (aka employees).

@mike @blubfisch
I feel the same, though I do think it's correct for them to step in to create a shield if the community is going to be garbage like this. *sigh* This is why we can't have nice things

@luxyr42 @mike Obviously we haven't seen this enacted yet, but I wonder if it'll end up being similar to the Arena Historic Brawl ranking system.
I know Amazonian has run into issues where including a high-power card in a low-power deck bumps her up to a high-power tier despite playing a pile of durdle cards.
I guess that's what the conversation is for.
But also, there's never been a good way to rank commander deck power so *shrug* can't be worse than what we already have

@driving_crooner @nokturne213 if it could have been anything like Arcane, it would have been fantastic

@andrew @MysticKetchup I'm also surprised they didn't ban around it. I guess it's because they originally intended it to just be a commander card, so they're okay with it not being in Modern?

@Semjaza @mike take my cousin. He got a perfect score in the ACT and got full ride scholarships to basically anywhere in the country. To him, magic is the same as any other board game on the shelf. He pulls out some decks when he has friends over, and then puts them away, and maybe gets out Catan next time. Most of his cards are from Legions block, and he's never played in a store in his life.
It's not brains, it's priorities.

@TheMagicer carefully conserving resources is actually a very important skill in the game.

I play a Iroas aggro deck that can be very explosive, but is bad at drawing cards.
It needs to get to 7 devotion for Iroas, but any extra creatures don't bring much benefit while do bring a lot of risk. If I have no cards in hand and get board wiped, I'm basically done. So I always try to hold back as much as I can after 7 devotion to prepare.

Im glad you're thinking about this! A real level up.

@TheMagicer I guess it depends on what you mean by "fake falling behind".
I do conserve my resources to avoid being perceived as a threat. That's not only proper resource logistics, it's also saving my stuff from removal to reduce risk.
I will also argue that I am not a threat based on my board state compared to other players, or try to convince people that some plays are unnecessary.

I think the difference is between lying about my luck vs being strategic in how I present my board state

@Evu @maino82 I mentioned this to my friend who grinds modern PTQs (or whatever they're called these days) and he said yeah that guy has a reputation for cheating.

@bec pantlaza will see the creature enter under the effect of Elesh Norn.
"Creatures get" is a status effect that applies as long as a creature is on the battlefield. It doesn't trigger, it just is.
Compare this with an activated or triggered ability which goes on the stack and can be responded to.
Elesh Norn simply changes the rules of the game, so Pantlaza never gets the chance to see the bigger version of the creature

@MysticKetchup did Post Malone buy it?

@bogdugg @andrew to me, that sounds like too much work. I dont want to have to look up the changes each week and feel obligated to try to build a new deck with the new set. Most likely, I'd skip playing Standard for 2 months until I was allowed to play with all the cards. It's an interesting idea for a store with a lot of established regulars trying to shake things up, but would probably drive everyone else away.