[-] ThatOneKirbyMain2568@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago

Let me try to explain a bit better.

Let's take an instance called Instance A. Instance A is currently on the fediverse, which we'll say is pretty evenly distributed. No instance has a large enough portion of users whereby others would have problems with activity loss if they defederated, which is good. If any instance starts doing things that Instance A doesn't agree with, they can defederate, and less activity won't be much of a concern with defederating from that single instance.

But now, let's take Instance B. Instance B is planning to implement ActivityPub and join the fediverse, and when it does so, it will control 80% of the activity. In other words, it has as much activity as the rest of the fediverse combined.

However, Instance B isn't particularly trustworthy. They don't value the open web like the rest of the fediverse does, their moderation is extremely poor, and they haven't cared for general well being in the past if it meant raising profits.

Here, Instance A and instances like it have two options: defederate immediately, or wait and see.

  • If it defederates immediately, Instance A will see some users move to other parts of the fediverse because they're excited about the 5x increase in activity from Instance B. They probably won't go to Instance B now, but maybe Instance C or D. However, a lot of people will be fine. After all, activity is staying the way it is, and Instance B is untrustworthy anyway.
  • If it waits and sees, this allows people on Instance A to enjoy and get used to the 5x increase in activity. Not bad so far.

However, let's say Instance B starts having moderation issues (e.g., widespread hate speech and more-than-usual spam) as everyone reasonably predicted. Instance A now wants to defederate.

  • If it defederated before, no problem! Nothing needs to be done.
  • If it didn't and wants to start defederation now, good luck. Now, everyone on Instance A has gotten used to the 5x activity on Instance B, and you're going to have an extremely difficult time convincing them to cut the activity they see and the users they follow by 80%. Way more people will leave Instance A if it defederates now than if it had just defederated early on.

In other words, if people on Instance A come to rely on Instance B for the activity they're used to, way more people will join the camp of "I'm leaving if you defederate with Instance B" then if Instance A just defederated from the get-go.

Let's take another example. Instance B wants to try to grab a bunch of users, so after some time, they stop federating at all.

  • If Instance A defederated, the people there are fine. They never saw stuff from Instance B anyway.
  • If Instance A didn't defederate, then 80% of the content that people are used to will suddenly be gone. Most of the accounts they follow will be disconnected, and activity will fall a ton. These users on Instance A will have two options: stay, with a horrendous drop in activity and no posts from the accounts they're most interested in; or just go to Instance B.
    In either case, Instance B will be fine. Most interaction was between Instance B users, so this won't be that much of a deal. But for users on other instances that are used to seeing stuff from B, it'd be catastrophic.

In short, defederating immediately has much smaller consequences than trying to defederate when whoever you want to defederate from controls most of the activity that your users see.

[-] ThatOneKirbyMain2568@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago

It's just a fancy name for "Dakota[citation needed]".

[-] ThatOneKirbyMain2568@kbin.social 6 points 11 months ago

The issue is that this does effect Kbin because Kbin is a microblogging platform. It's also a thread aggregator, but it has microblog functionality that some people do actually use. Should we not defederate, stuff from Threads will flood the microblogs of Kbin. If your home page is set to use the All Content feed (like mine is), you'll see microblogs from Threads there. This doesn't have as much of an effect as it does on a purely microblogging-focused platform like Mastodon, but it does still affect a big way that Kbin is used.

[-] ThatOneKirbyMain2568@kbin.social 6 points 11 months ago

100%. Additionally, there's a difference in magnitude between lemmy.world and Threads. While it's obviously not great that so many of the large communities are on lemmy.world, Threads would have a vast majority of the fediverse's microblog content. If Meta leaves the fediverse later on, people outside of Threads will suddenly lose almost all of the activity their used to and will likely move over to Threads. And Meta, being a profit-driven company, has all the incentive in the world to do this given that it would pull tons of users from competing platforms like Mastodon.

These corporations have shown time and time again that profit is their priority, and that profit explicitly goes against our own interests. You're not going to see Zuckerberg asking people to keep things balanced by joining other instances. He'd love to pull users from Mastodon, Firefish, and Kbin over to Threads, and it's easily doable if he's welcomed with open arms like big instances across the fediverse are doing right now.

[-] ThatOneKirbyMain2568@kbin.social 6 points 11 months ago

… why? They just seem like a Lemmy instance for sports. Who are these people you have issue with? What are they posting that's so bad? Why do these few people justify what's essentially the nuclear bomb of instance moderation?

[-] ThatOneKirbyMain2568@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago

At press time, [the candidate] was attacked as too radical.

[-] ThatOneKirbyMain2568@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago

I'd change a single bag of Cape Cod party-sized sea salt potato chips so that it would be at my current location.

[-] ThatOneKirbyMain2568@kbin.social 6 points 11 months ago

7 founding fathers seems like a rather arbitrary number — at least not one I've heard of and definitely a number you could argue — so I wouldn't put that as symbolism on the flag. Also not a huge fan of the arrangement of the stars. They don't fill the width of the blue field, and the 13 stars feel oddly small. I definitely agree that the U.S. flag could be simplified, but this isn't it imo.

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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by ThatOneKirbyMain2568@kbin.social to c/kbinMeta@kbin.social

Another update to my #kbin userstyle idkbin (now at 1.2.6.1)! The "new comment" marker recently added by Ernest is now stylized by idkbin (mainly to work with rounded edges), and a bug with borders has been fixed. #kbinmeta #kbinstyles

EDIT: Typo.

#kbinMeta

[-] ThatOneKirbyMain2568@kbin.social 6 points 11 months ago

I guess it's not the worst thing in the world, but who exactly did they think would prefer this? The logo it had was great — no need to change it.

At this point, I'm certain that platforms like Reddit and Discord just undergo random UI changes to keep the UI designers actually doing something.

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In the opinion portion of Kurzgesagt's most recent video, they suggest that going back to small forums, bulletin boards, etc. will help people deradicalize and become more empathetic. The idea behind this is that, just like real life, forums allow people who disagree on certain things to bond under a shared interest or identity; this makes people more receptive to those disagreeing opinions and more empathetic towards the people that hold them. I'd watch the video if you haven't, as it'll make more sense then.

My question: do you agree with this? Do you think returning to separated forums will help in the way Kurzgesagt suggests? Do you think it'd be a good idea for other reasons?

My opinion is that while I don't have an issue with individual forums, I'm very skeptical of the idea that they'll help solve extremification like the video claims. Kurzgesagt says that these forums are like real life, but I see a few issues with this claim:

  • On forums, people maybe be just talking about the thing that the forum is about. For example, if you're on a forum about Minecraft or cats, you're not going to be discussing differing political opinions — in fact, such conversations are usually frowned upon. This is different from your real life community, where you're going to be talking about all sorts of different topics.
  • Many forums are about the very things we don't want people extremified on. Look at lemmygrad or hexbear, which might as well be their own forums given the massive amount of defederation from them. Or, for a less extreme example, go to r/antiwork — you won't find much disagreement there (that isn't buried into obscurity by downvotes, anyway). These places can potentially create dangerous bubbles that Kurzgesagt says are rare online, and that could get even worse if, for example, political subreddits became their own forums entirely.

These are just my thoughts immediately after watching the video, so I'm curious to see what others think.

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Right now, downvotes (reduces) don't federate to (and from?) Kbin instances. This lack of federation makes the downvote counter really inaccurate—a comment that looks like it's +10 might be -15 when you look at it from lemmy.world.

This leaves me with a few questions:

  • Is downvote federation going to be implemented?
  • If so, is it a priority or something that'll happen much further down the line?
  • If not, will downvoting be removed?
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[-] ThatOneKirbyMain2568@kbin.social 6 points 11 months ago

Those are definitely important factors, especially distinctiveness at small size and at a distance. There are lots of red, white, and blue tricolors that only differ in some small, complicated symbol, making them difficult to distinguish even up close, much less from afar.

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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by ThatOneKirbyMain2568@kbin.social to c/vexillology@lemmy.world

There are a lot of varying opinions on how complex flags should be. Some prefer that flags be kept more simple and minimal, and others feel that simple flags come off as bland, corporate, and unflaglike. What do you think?

My take is that complexity on flags can be great given the following:

  • Complexity is used to make a specific a focal point stand out. Flags aren't paintings and shouldn't be littered with complex designs. Instead, the complexity should be focused in the flag's device.
  • Complexity is in shape, not in color. If a flag has 6 different colors in its device, it just ends up feeling cluttered imo.
  • Complex images are unique and symbolic. In general, devices should be symbolic, but imo both it and distinctness is especially important if you're going to draw extra attention to it with a complex design.

One of my favorite flags, the flag of Bhutan, does all of these with its black and white dragon.

Edit: Also want to add that I don't think flags being minimal or following more modern design principles makes them soulless and corporate. Simple designs can look great, and I honestly tend to prefer them. Just because logos tend to use more simplistic designs doesn't mean flags can't either.

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The State Emblem Redesign Commission is set to reconvene next month to choose a new state flag and seal. The panel found six flag and five seal designs Tuesday that will move on.

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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by ThatOneKirbyMain2568@kbin.social to c/kbinMeta@kbin.social

Whenever you use this format

text

in threads and comments, the image preview itself usually seems to show fine, but the text disappears.

Also, while we're on the subject, imgur previews haven't been working in general for a while.

Any idea what's causing these things and when they might be fixed?

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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by ThatOneKirbyMain2568@kbin.social to c/newcommunities@lemmy.world

The threadiverse counterpart of r/minecraftsuggestions. This isn't a new community—we (the r/mcs mods) made it a while back following the whole Reddit API fiasco—but since it hasn't been posted here before, I figured that I'd put it here for anyone who's interested but not aware.

Links:
@mcsuggestions
!mcsuggestions
/c/mcsuggestions

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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by ThatOneKirbyMain2568@kbin.social to c/newcommunities@lemmy.world

An unofficial community for discussing anything and everything related to Kurzgesagt – In a Nutshell.

Links:
@Kurzgesagt
!Kurzgesagt
/c/Kurzgesagt

In 1532, the geographer Jacob Ziegler of Bavaria proposed the theory that the creatures fell out of the sky during stormy weather and then died suddenly when the grass grew in spring.

lol, that's dumb

This description was contradicted by natural historian Ole Worm, …

well duh, of course people thought that was stupi—

… who accepted that lemmings could fall out of the sky, but claimed that they had been brought over by the wind rather than created by spontaneous generation.

oh

Unfortunately don't have OP; if I did, I would've just done /kill @e[type=cow].

As for mods, should I use Forge, Fabric, or Quilt?

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