Oh and I know that I derailed any possible discussion about "Plants feel pain" before it ever came up. Because it doesn't make sense even if it were true as the most number of plants get brutally murdered for a net negative system that if changed would murder a whole lot less of them.

Animal ag is fucking up the planet. Deforastation, killing wild-life, pollution, GHGs, destruction of soils via plant mono cultures and water via run offs causing eutrophication and dead-zones, pandemics, eviction of indigenics. Not to speak of the constant suffering. It conserves nothing.

The study you posted states a logical conclusion in the sense of the self preservation our livelihood. See the last quote in my last post.

I understand that peoples jobs depend on it, that 2% vegans aren't making a big impact and that rich as fuck capitalist pricks can accumulate billions and exploit low-wage workers and even immigrant children because of it.

You're free to call it misinfo or propaganda but it's the stuff I researched for 3 years I'm vegan now. Feel free to abstain from answering if you only want to beat a vegan. I probably won't engage anyway bc it was all I have to say about it.

Nope. I'm not shifting anything. You were by changing the subject from crops to crop calories without taking into account humans can grow calorie dense foods on relatively small space opposed to animal feed which needs a lot crops, land and produces a lot of plant waste and in addition is inefficient because only a fraction of calories come out of the slaughtered being compared to the initial calories in plants.

All that while we cull millions of feeling beings in the worst possible way right now because of H5N1 (add that to the polycrisis) waste enormous amounts of resources for little protein and calories and destroy nature.

Here have a look at some frail vegans, while the world burns, mate:

💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪

And he'll probably put into effect the insurrection act.

The paper is from 2013. The number of animals in factory farming were ramped up since then.

Then: She says crops not crop calories.

"From the 41 crops analyzed in this study, 9.46 × 1015 calories available in plant form are produced by crops globally, of which 55% directly feed humans. However, 36% of these produced calories go to animal feed, of which 89% is lost, such that only 4% of crop-produced calories are available to humans in the form of animal products. Another 9% of crop-produced calories are used for industrial uses and biofuels[...]"

55% + 9% = 64% = 2/3

So you're correct with the 2/3 crop calories(!) if we count the 9% biofuel/industrial stuff with it.

But why is the following?

"According to a 2011 analysis, 75% of all agricultural land (including crop and pasture land) is dedicated to animal production."

I'd suppose it's because of this reasons: A. Pastures need a lot of space which for which often woods or rainforest are burned and biomes are destroyed. B. Probably the most eaten vegetable (potatoe) is very energy dense and has a lot less waste by-product and therefore needs a lot less space than animal feed like soy, wheat or corn.

This is everything I need to know from your paper to say that the system of animal agriculture is fucked, wasteful and destroys nature and our health (not only because of the pandemics it causes):

"Put another way, shifting the crops used for feed and other uses towards direct human food consumption could increase calories in the food system by 3.89 × 1015 calories, from 5.57 × 1015 to 9.46 × 1015 calories, or a ∼70% increase. A quadrillion (1 × 1015) food calories is enough to feed just over 1 billion people a 2700 calories per day diet for a year (which is 985 500 calories per year) [1]. Therefore, shifting the crop calories used for feed and other uses to direct human consumption could potentially feed an additional ∼4 billion people."

Pastures can be regenerated, btw: https://www.reddit.com/r/farming/comments/1ds3fvh/how_to_turn_pasture_into_a_garden/

Edit: The latter is what the "Vegan Land Movement" is doing very successfully by rewilding pastures to wild lands again where a wide variety of wild life is finding a refugium now.

You had me in the first part!

Danke. Ditto. Ich bin auch nicht gebildet hab aber ein paar Geschichten von ihm gelesen. War immer on-point und lässt sich gut auf die Neuzeit übertragen.

Of course. From now on I'll only link screenshots of tweets. I'm already downloading videos from there. Thanks for the hint.

Fediverse is hardly keeping up. It's already a trend. That's why I'm still on X (and I hate to do that), where all of it is shown in realtime. There are already elementary school boys spouting that stuff to their female classmates. Read a tweet from a teacher who cheered a girl that snapped and knocked a boy out after he said it.

Whose address just got doxxed:

https://x.com/Pearly________/status/1855158578299949183

LOL. They yesterday posted an announcement from him on X where he states verbatim all the first steps of Project2025 (prosecution of political opponents, complete replacement of governmental employees, dismantling of gov agencies). It's 1984 big brother stuff. Trump isn't in charge.

Have you seen the video of Led By Donkeys, that's still online on the Shitter? Shows the timeline of how Elmo & Thiel won the US elections in a TikTok format. I think Elmo will not take it down now that all masks have been took of. He wants his peasants to fear him.