logicbomb

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[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 4 points 25 minutes ago (1 children)

Why don't people read before they respond?

It takes a small fraction of the time and effort, and they still have to read the responses to their comment to get the benefit.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 1 points 37 minutes ago

Neural networks work very similarly to human brains, so when somebody points out a problem with a NN, I immediately think about whether a human would do the same thing. A human could also easily fake expertise by looking at pen marks, for example.

And human brains themselves are also usually inscrutable. People generally come to conclusions without much conscious effort first. We call it "intuition", but it's really the brain subconsciously looking at the evidence and coming to a conclusion. Because it's subconscious, even the person who made the conclusion often can't truly explain themselves, and if they're forced to explain, they'll suddenly use their conscious mind with different criteria, but they'll basically always come to the same conclusion as their intuition due to confirmation bias.

But the point is that all of your listed complaints about neural networks are not exclusively problems of neural networks. They are also problems of human brains. And not just rare problems, but common problems.

Only a human who is very deliberate and conscious about their work doesn't fall into that category, but that limits the parts of your brain that you can use. And it also takes a lot longer and a lot of very deliberate training to be able to do that. Intuition is a very important part of our minds, and can be especially useful for very high level performance.

Modern neural networks have their training data manipulated and scrubbed to avoid issues like you brought up. It can be done by hand, for additional assurance, but it is also automatically done by the training software. If your training data is an image, the same image will be used repeatedly. For example, it will be used in its original format. It can be rotated and used. Cropped and used. Manipulated using standard algorithms and used. Or combinations of those things.

Pen marks wouldn't even be an issue today, because images generally start off digital, and those raw digital images can be used. Just like any other medical tool, it wouldn't be used unless it could be trusted. It will be trained and validated like any NN, and then random radiologists aren't just relying on it right after that. It is first used by expert radiologists simulating actual diagnosis who understand the system enough to report problems. There is no technological or practical reason to think that humans will always have better outcomes than even today's AI technology.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

I think that's the same point the comic is making, which is why it's called "The four eyes principle," meaning two different people look at it.

I understand the sentiment, but I will maintain that I would choose anything that has the better health outcome.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 10 points 5 hours ago

I once got my very pro-Trump very Christian aunt to agree that Trump wasn't Christian and that many of the things he's done go against Christian teachings.

By the next day, she was already posting tons of pro-Trump garbage on social media again. Because that's what compartmentalization and cognitive dissonance mean.

And she had built so much of her identity around this billionaire grifter that she was unable to change.

I don't know what the best way is to deal with these types of people, but in my case, I just completely cut her out of my life. There doesn't seem to be any purpose to communicating with a person who is incapable of learning.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I randomly opened it to the first page, and now I've created my own universe.

What am I supposed to do with this? It seems like a lot of trouble. I'm thinking that if I just ignore it, maybe it will go away.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 16 points 6 hours ago

The review said it had seen no evidence "to support the suggestion that the narrator's father or family influenced the content of the programme in any way".

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 13 points 6 hours ago (9 children)

How many billions of people have we got? It seems like the universe is very good at scaling.

And even if it crashes, why would that mean it disappears? If your computer crashes, does it typically stop working forever, or can you fix it?

For all we know, maybe it already crashes a lot and there is just no way for us to know about it.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

I'm willing to admit that cannibalism and eating spoiled food is a little outside of my comfort zone.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 12 points 17 hours ago

When I was in college, expert systems were considered AI. Expert systems can be 100% programmed by a human. As long as they're making decisions that appear intelligent, they're AI.

One example of an expert system "AI" is called "game AI." If a bot in a game appears to be acting similar to a real human, that's considered AI. Or at least it was when I went to college.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 88 points 22 hours ago (27 children)

My knowledge on this is several years old, but back then, there were some types of medical imaging where AI consistently outperformed all humans at diagnosis. They used existing data to give both humans and AI the same images and asked them to make a diagnosis, already knowing the correct answer. Sometimes, even when humans reviewed the image after knowing the answer, they couldn't figure out why the AI was right. It would be hard to imagine that AI has gotten worse in the following years.

When it comes to my health, I simply want the best outcomes possible, so whatever method gets the best outcomes, I want to use that method. If humans are better than AI, then I want humans. If AI is better, then I want AI. I think this sentiment will not be uncommon, but I'm not going to sacrifice my health so that somebody else can keep their job. There's a lot of other things that I would sacrifice, but not my health.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not surprising that Modi is doing this in the same year that Trump issued an executive order making English the official language of America.

It's like they're competing for the Fascist of the Year award.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Due to sacrificing the development of its ear to permit it to dig more efficiently, the Mexican mole lizard has evolved to have its skin transmit vibrations to the cochlea.

A normal ear also works by having skin transmit vibrations to the cochlea.

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