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What are the pro-china views of common western anti-china claims? in c/china@lemmy.ml
[–] reyn0r@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 years ago

American international policy is a shitshow, no question. I was just trying to say that supporting Taiwan in defending against china is justified.

What are the pro-china views of common western anti-china claims? in c/china@lemmy.ml
[–] reyn0r@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 years ago (2 children)

Hmmmm. Imagine Hawaii was an autonomous, socialist state with it's own government, openly demanding support from China or Russia. If the US threatened to invade Hawaii within the next five years, surely Russia and China would come to help, and rightfully so!

What are the pro-china views of common western anti-china claims? in c/china@lemmy.ml
[–] reyn0r@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 years ago (1 children)

Thanks a lot for your long and in-depth answer! The stuff you said in 1) really opened a new view on the Xinjiang conflict for me.

However, the arguments in 2-3 do not convince me. There might be no perfect freedom of speech in the west, but even in Germany you have to try really, really hard to get arrested for being a Nazi. Also, saying that "chinese people agreed on socialism" seems a bit awkward after admitting that there is no political freedom in China. Chinese communism might be more flexible than western capitalism, but IMHO this does not justify the means by which the CCP crushes opposition and individual freedom.

  1. I am glad that you see surveillance as a negative in both systems. I wouldn't agree that it is worse in the west than in china, as in the west anyone still has the opportunity to avoid services which threaten to sell your data. Services like signal enable encrypted communication legally without threatening to sell your data.

  2. Hm, I guess we agree. Trying to forcefully make Hong Kong and Taiwan, countries which have decided against the Chinese system, a part of China is certainly not a nice thing to do. But I guess this is more of a tactical maneuver to present strength to the west.

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What are the pro-china views of common western anti-china claims? (lemmy.ml)
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Hey there! I would consider myself heavily anti-china, possibly because I spent too much time listening to western anti-china propaganda. Since this community seems to be mainly pro-china, I thought this should be a good place to clear up some misconceptions I might have. There are some issues which are repeatedly used to draw the picture of Chinese dystopia. A few of these points are:

  • The proclaimed genocide of Uighurs in Xinjiang.
  • Heavy restrictions of freedom of speech. It seems really dangerous to be publicly critical of the CCP; There is no chinese newspaper criticizing the works of the CCP, also it is forbidden to access foreign newspapers.
  • Along with the freedom of speech go restrictions of political freedom. "The most recent major movement advocating for political freedom was obliterated through the Tiananmen Square Massacre in 1989". (Wikipedia quote) There also are many recent examples of people disappearing after publicly expressing differing political views.
  • Mass-surveillance of citizens. Anything the citizens do seems to be recorded. Appearently even saying anything anti-CCP on WeChat can have you imprisoned and a low credit score can make it impossible for you to leave the country (along with other restrictions of freedom).
  • The planned occupation of Taiwan and Hong Kong. At least in the case of Hong Kong there is some justification due to the completely stupid 99-year-lease, but china being so offensive about annexing Taiwan seems odd.

I would be happy to see what the pro-china views on these claims are. I realized that one could argue that claims 1-4 are simply made up or at least presented overly problematic in western media. If this is your whole point, don't bother to answer.

I'm looking forward to your responses!