wondrous_stage

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[–] wondrous_stage@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

And like I said, to me it seems like many Americans discriminate against other Americans even without having a different background.

They could both be American for many generations, both are Christians, both are fans of the same football team but they still separate each other solely based on their skin color.

And this discrimination purely based on someone's appearance is what seems so weird to me and that I haven't noticed to this extent here in Europe. Of course people like this will also exist here but it seems very rare where as in American culture it feels like it's integrated into normal every day mainstream life to have stereotypes based on these "races" and to differentiate between races like "black people", "white people", "Asians" etc. in general.

I mean I could somewhat understand if it was related to religion, rituals etc. because those things actually affect someones personality and culture and that this can naturally clash (different personalities and cultures) is pretty obvious. But it being related to appearance makes no sense to me.

[–] wondrous_stage@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

I wanted to add that even though I believe that there's probably still a lot of the discrimination against our own people in some places of Europe that you mentioned, I have to say that I rarely experience this.

Like the example you gave for the UK, even though I have never lived there for a long period, I've been there many times and I've never seen anyone mentioning the societal class. Maybe from movies or games that play in the past they say "Look at this poor peasant" but I've never experienced this IRL.

I don't wanna hate on America at all (I think it's an awesome country in many ways), I think this is just important constructive criticism because I've experienced so many times that Americans called people black or white and made a stereotyping/discriminating thing out of it, said the N word etc.

And especially for purely appearance based reasons I think it's particularly bad because no one can change their body or skin color since that's how they were born.

But of course we need to get rid of all discrimination including the ones against foreigners that Europe also definitely has!

[–] wondrous_stage@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Yea with Europeans I meant that I don't notice them basing racism on people looking different but more on nationality/when they're not from Europe.

But with Americans I additionally noticed a lot of racism solely based on people looking different even though they were also American.

[–] wondrous_stage@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (3 children)

Never heard of Roma. What is that?

[–] wondrous_stage@lemmy.world 8 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Wow this is a very interesting and insightful reply, exactly what I was looking for. I learned a lot from this and have a better understanding now, thank you!

[–] wondrous_stage@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

No you're understanding me right, I just tried to not use harsh or direct language to not offend anyone. And I don't wanna say "Why are many Americans racist towards other Americans" because imo that's racist to say as well. I tried to be more considerate.

It's only that to me it felt like this genetic superiority and separation is more extreme in American culture than in Europe. Like I said it feels like it's almost a mainstream trend in America to make this identity about "being black or white" in so many aspects of life which I just don't see in Europe even in more diverse places.

[–] wondrous_stage@lemmy.world 8 points 22 hours ago

Yea you're right, it's probably unnecessary. So I will keep this account for now

[–] wondrous_stage@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago

True, I should've probably added that

 

This question is meant to be in good faith. I know this topic can be charged but please try to be understanding.

As a 19 year old from Europe I'm just trying to understand why so many Americans (of course not all, but many) not just only seem to have stereotypes against foreigners/immigrants with different nationality such as Mexicans etc. (which is also the case here in Europe), but also exclude and stereotype other Americans solely based on their looks (or what many Americans call "race").

For example I think many people in Europe unfortunately also are racist against immigrants and people with nationality from a different country because they fear that they're bringing crime and drastically change the culture (because many of them are Muslims etc. and have very different world views and might not accept ours). In America this seems to be the case as well emphasizing "American values"/"America first" and excluding everything that's against that and mass deporting immigrants.

But what's even harder for me to understand is why so many Americans seem to exclude and racially stereotype other Americans solely based on their appearance that has nothing to do with their personality. They could have the exact same personality, interests, religion, same number of American ancestors etc. but still separate and stereotype each other based on their skin or face appearance.

Of course this also exists in Europe but it seems way more rare than in America. In American culture it seems like it has normalized that people constantly talk about skin color (being "black" or "white") and other "races" that they exclude and stereotype. Like calling people "black people" or "white people" as if they're a different species.

For example France also has many people with dark skin and other features but they seem to be way more integrated and mixed. If it's racist they're mostly related to someones nationality or personality but not whether how dark or pale their skin is or whether they look Asian.

For example I have friends with dark skin but we never talk about that. We might only talk about it the same way we talk about having different hair and eye color but we don't obsess over it as if we're different people because of that.

It would seem very weird here if someone said "I don't date Asians". Or things like "Black-Only" Schools or communities would be unthinkable here.

The act of calling someone "black" or "white" alone seems weird imo, since skin color isn't truly "black" or "white" like coal and paper are. Imo it's more like a brown/orange/pink color that varies in darkness between people but there's no distinct point where someone is considered dark/black or pale/white anyways.

And to me it always seemed completely normal that all humans naturally look different, some more some less (which I think is a more healthy and realistic view).

I know America has a long racist history but that doesn't justify this imo and seems weird to still take place in 2025.

[–] wondrous_stage@lemmy.world -1 points 22 hours ago

I created a new Lemmy account to ask this question. Is that okay?

 

This question is meant to be in good faith. I know this topic can be charged but please try to be understanding.

As a 19 year old from Europe I'm just trying to understand why so many Americans (of course not all, but many) not just only seem to have stereotypes against foreigners/immigrants with different nationality such as Mexicans etc. (which is also the case here in Europe), but also exclude and stereotype other Americans solely based on their looks (or what many Americans call "race").

For example I think many people in Europe unfortunately also are racist against immigrants and people with nationality from a different country because they fear that they're bringing crime and drastically change the culture (because many of them are Muslims etc. and have very different world views and might not accept ours). In America this seems to be the case as well emphasizing "American values"/"America first" and excluding everything that's against that and mass deporting immigrants.

But what's even harder for me to understand is why so many Americans seem to exclude and racially stereotype other Americans solely based on their appearance that has nothing to do with their personality. They could have the exact same personality, interests, religion, same number of American ancestors etc. but still separate and stereotype each other based on their skin or face appearance.

Of course this also exists in Europe but it seems way more rare than in America. In American culture it seems like it has normalized that people constantly talk about skin color (being "black" or "white") and other "races" that they exclude and stereotype. Like calling people "black people" or "white people" as if they're a different species.

For example France also has many people with dark skin and other features but they seem to be way more integrated and mixed. If it's racist they're mostly related to someones nationality or personality but not whether how dark or pale their skin is or whether they look Asian.

For example I have friends with dark skin but we never talk about that. We might only talk about it the same way we talk about having different hair and eye color but we don't obsess over it as if we're different people because of that.

It would seem very weird here if someone said "I don't date Asians". Or things like "Black-Only" Schools or communities would be unthinkable here.

The act of calling someone "black" or "white" alone seems weird imo, since skin color isn't truly "black" or "white" like coal and paper are. Imo it's more like a brown/orange/pink color that varies in darkness between people but there's no distinct point where someone is considered dark/black or pale/white anyways.

And to me it always seemed completely normal that all humans naturally look different, some more some less (which I think is a more healthy and realistic view).

I know America has a long racist history but that doesn't justify this imo and seems weird to still take place in 2025.