Mars (Planet)

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It's a long read, and i'm sorry for that. I try to keep myself short.


The goal here is to estimate the cost of a ticket to mars if you intend to live there permanently.

The goal for the price of the ticket is less than 1 billion, ideally around 10 million USD per person, at a launch cost of $1000/kg, which would mean you could bring 10 t of stuff (besides the rocket itself) with you. This sounds both much and little at the same time, depending on how you look at it. It might sound much because you're not used to carrying a backpack that big, or you're not thinking that when you move houses on earth, your stuff that you carry around weighs 10 tonnes in total. But, you have to remember that most of this stuff is going to be machinery. We're literally trying to build factories on Mars, and that factory machinery has a certain weight attached to it, so it cannot be avoided.

At the same time, 10 tonnes might sound like incredibly little if you're aware of how factories are typically being built on earth today. Factories on earth today use very heavy machinery that is significantly more massive than 10 tonnes even for a single process, even for rather trivial workflows. The reason is simply because today, on earth, nobody gives a crap about designing lightweight machinery for factories. Even the most basic industrial processes use incredibly bulky and heavy-weight machines that weight around a 1000 tonnes, even for as simple processes as producing ammonium from hydrogen and nitrogen. The same process could be done in a microwave-sized machine weighing no more than 10 kg, but industry today insists on using big, bulky machinery for doing large-scale processing. This could and needs to change dramatically with spaceflight and martian settlement. Every piece of machinery needs to be optimized towards being lightweight, to the point of even "hollowing out the bones", if you enjoy the analogy to birds in nature. You might also enjoy remembering that the liver organ in the human body weighs barely more than a single kg, but catalyses at least a hundred different chemical reactions, producing at least a hundred different chemical outputs in moderate amounts. Small-scale chemical processing is possible, and nature has perfected it; it is merely our human superstition that tries to make machines huge and bulky, instead of small and weight-efficient.


Call me a fool, i don't care. :D if you have helpful comments, please post them

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This post was inspired by this post.


If we grow algae in a plastic bag directly under the sunlight and genetically modify these algae to be non-toxic (or at least contain only toxins that can be deactivated by cooking) and produce gluten, we could grind them to powder and use that to bake bread.

this could be useful for a future mars settlement, where conventional greenhouses would be expensive because they would have to be completely air-tight, but air-tight plastic bags might be cheap.

I used AI (gulp) to generate an image of this:

I hope you all won't decapitate me for using AI to generate an image.

Btw here's a list of typical algae's nutrient content:

Source is Wikipedia. Spirulina are a type of algae that is a potential food candidate for spaceflight missions and mars settlement. You can find more using your favorite search engine using the keyword "spirulina".

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Extract....

While Mars may be a desiccated place where water no longer flows, the planet still has glaciers slowly moving across its surface. Previously, it was thought that Martian glaciers were pure ice with a thin cover of rock and dust. But after 20 years of exhaustive research, scientists have concluded that glaciers all over the planet contain more than 80% water ice, meaning they are nearly pure. These findings could alter our understanding of Mars' climate history and have significant implications for future crewed missions dependent on in-situ resource utilization (ISRU)......

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cross-posted from: https://discuss.online/post/24399349

http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/a-city-on-mars-now-in-paperback

Alt textCan you make babies in space? Should corporations govern space settlements? What about space war?

No bonus panel

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First, let me say, I'm an absolute sucker for European style graphic novels. So when I caught On Mars_ at my local shop, I thumbed through it... Yeah, I'm in.

Dystopian future, criminals are used as slave labor to build a colony on Mars. The story follows a new prisoner, sent to Mars for 20 years. As a police officer, she accidentally killed a kid, the daughter of an influential politician.

The prison colony is full of gangs, religious fanatics, and escapees operating in the wild.

Through the three sections, she encounters these multiple groups and struggles to survive. Until someone decides to overthrow the power structure and take over everything for themselves.

It's honestly, a GREAT read, I had no problem with it at all until the last few pages.

spoilerThe religious fanatics attempt a coup and part of this involves bringing in a ship and drones controlled by them.

The protagonist of the story fights them to a standstill, finds a hacker character to take over control of the new drones, and... then he has the new drones kill everyone. THE END!

There's maybe 3, 4 more pages after that and I kept reading hoping for a fakeout... there isn't one. Our dude was damaged enough to off himself and everyone else on Mars.

HUGE downer of an ending, not sure what they're going for there. It's not like Snowpiercer where you know the downer ending is coming, it just comes out of left field. "And then they all died!"

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Highly recommend. The red planet you can sleep on

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Please remove if this is against the rules.

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Discusses the spheres spotted by Perseverance rover

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Consider the following tech tree.

  • The rocket can double as a living habitat, if it manages to land in one piece. Martian dirt could be used to re-inforce the walls to protect against radiation.

  • Solar energy with a battery or nuclear could serve as a power source.

  • Water can be extracted from regolith (martian rock) by baking the regolith in a furnace, the water evaporates and can the be re-condensed.

  • Oxygen can be produced through the electrolysis of water. One kilogram of water produces approximately 880 g of O~2~, which is roughly enough for a day per person.

  • Methane can be produced through the Sabatier process, which takes as input H~2~ and CO~2~, and can be used as a rocket fuel and to make bioplastics out of it.

  • Plants are the tricky part. I will create a further post later in the future to give more detailed information about this. The basic gist is that you can create greenhouses if you have the basic ingredients (mostly water).

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mars settlement sketch [OC] (discuss.tchncs.de)
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made with my newly acquired Gaomon drawing tablet + krita on linux :)

it's my first drawing, please be kind <3