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I don’t think centrists are against socialised health care.
There are people in this thread who think being centrist means you're ok with a little genocide. What do you even say to that?
By answering whether someone like Joe Biden is a centralist and whether his actions contribute to genocide.
The reason your confused is because leftist have seen examples of people calling themselves centralist and also being okay with what is going on in Gaza.
By being okay I mean not trying to stop it actively.
It’s important to define what we mean when we use these terms/phrases.
It's probably a bad idea to reply in the first place because I don't really want to argue... at all, let alone about politics and what label I or someone else has, but fuck it.
I'm more confused about what you're trying to say than what I think about Gaza. I don't really care about Biden, I'm not an American. There's nothing I can do about what he says or does. I can't tell you whether he's a centrist or not, frankly I don't care.
Naturally, I don't agree with any support whatsoever, financial, military, or otherwise of what Israel is doing in Gaza. The same applies for the vast majority of armed conflict... ever. It might apply to all of it, I don't care to do a quick run through all of human history and make a judgement call on each and every one but... get this. War bad. Subscribe for more hot takes.
As to what I'm doing about it, I'm not protesting or arguing with faceless text online. I don't have the time, inclination, or energy for it. I have a lot of things to worry about that are a lot closer to me. Elections happened, and are coming up, and I'm gonna vote according to my interests which happen to include not supporting Israel.
Having said all that, I'm not even sure how disagreeing with killing innocent people and supplying weapons for killing innocent people is a political alignment factor. Shit's crazy, what the fuck.
As far as I'm concerned, both the far left and the far right have completely insane dealbreaker things I never want to see happen (again). The reason I think I'm centrist is that there are ideas on both sides that are a lot tamer that I think could help us all live fulfilling, comfortable lives. When I think about compromising with either side, it's about trading between these tamer ideas. I think it's strategically worthwhile to not get everything you want from those tamer ideas immediately so you can at least get some of them.
Surely I won't regret typing this out.
I’m so curious what dealbreaker things the far left has.
But overall, you misunderstood my point. It was that centralist could mean being okay with genocide as in they literally want to meet halfway between fascism and reasonability.
Like if one side said let’s not do slavery, and one side says let’s do slavery, a centralist compromised means being okay with some slavery.
My comment was more about:
Halfway between justice and injustice is still injustice.
You see it as fascism (the far right) and reasonability (the far left). I don't really have anything to say to that other than, that is not reasonable. I come from a formerly communist country. I won't entertain that bullshit.
Edit:
This is completely batshit crazy, what the fuck. I'm a few more drinks in right now and don't have the same filter, but "not slavery" is not what the far left is.
Edit 2: Yeah I probably could've phrased it better or just not answered. Sorry about that, shouldn't have called you batshit crazy. If I were to phrase it better, I don't believe that is a reasonable depiction of what the spectrum looks like. The far left isn't a rainbow land of inclusion, acceptance, and happiness. I don't really care to debate with communists the failings of communism, I'm not going to change my opinion on my experience and they won't change their world view because of some random comment on lemmy.
Far left doesn’t automatically = communism.
There are many flavours of socialism, including social democracies which I would call far left even though it has aspects of capitalism (it’s the end result that matters imo. If it’s more equality, that’s far left).
Which goes back to my original point, it’s really important for people to spell out what they actually mean when they use words or phrases that have been twisted by the other side.
Sorry if you’re fuming. Didn’t really mean to offend.
Thanks for waiving that little snafu, I appreciate it, sincerely.
As far as I'm concerned, social democracy is center left. Maybe there's a difference between European and NA perspectives. I live in a social democratic country and I have to say life is pretty good.
This is what I mean by that depiction of the spectrum not being reasonable. I don't see how someone can say that on equal distance from the center you have social democracy and genocide.
Well, the post is about leftists wanting to give health insurance to people. That sounds very North American (or more specifically, USA) kind of focus. So that’s the context I went off of.
Isn’t it funny though that your satisfied with living in a social democracy and I’m advocating for it yet we had a polarizing discussion cause we focused on labels?
Also, for context, I’m Canadian and would consider the liberals centre left and NDP (what I vote for) as far left.
"Yes, you're correct, as clearly demonstrated by the Gazan Genocide."
Yeah what?
I thought secure socialized programs were left and "fuck you i got mine" system was about as far right as you could get.
The centrist position would be universal healthcare, but less available to higher incomes who can afford portions of health insurance. Thus reducing limitations of too much tax going toward a top-tier health system, neglecting other areas of the nation like education, infrastructure, aged care, etc.
"If you can afford it, you can afford it. Don't neglect it and don't abuse it."