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When someone is venting, am I supposed to say something?
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Gender is somewhat relevant here-- according to my women studies course in uni. When women are describing a problem, they don’t usually want solutions. They want support, understanding, & sympathy, contrary to the typical male response which is to give advice & propose solutions, which then has a good chance of ending badly.
Input from a clinical psychologist and therapist: That's true but leaves out the fact that everybody responds better to validation (just like you described for women) unless they ask for advice or a solution. I'll also say--this time only anecdotally--that even men requesting advice and answers often benefit much more from validation, especially when advice would not be helpful.
To add another part on from another clinical psychologist/therapist: it seems like sometimes just assuming what the person is looking for validation or help can cause some problems one way or the other. Sometimes just asking directly what they are looking for is worthwhile. It can be a beneficial exercise in clarifying expectations and takes out chance for a "wrong" (used VERY loosely) choice of approach or possibly missed signals. Personally and anecdotally, it seems to bring more awareness into the equation for everyone involved overtime (if doing so with a partner/friend/family member/etc.).
Is this really true that men aren't looking for this same validation or do they just generally vent less because generally speaking men have fewer close friendships and maybe are less used to having anyone to vent to? Just thinking out loud
Idk, tbh in my experience, men can do both at the same time. It usually goes like
"Duuude (some shitty news)"
"Damn dude that sucks, why (did that happen, etc)"
"I think blah blah blah"
"Damn, did you try yadda yadda?"
"Yeah and this happened, can you believe that shit?!"
"That sucks, I'd (blank). What're you gonna do?"
(Cont..)
It just feels all like one cohesive conversation yet both sides are present, the helping side and the listening side. Unfortunately I can only do this with my male friends, with my ~Fe~ woman (Haha! Almost got me to say the F word. Leaving "male" though since none of us give a single shit about that) friends, because even though I'd have to listen to give advice at all one precludes the other to them, I just have to end up basically saying "Damn. That sucks. Wow. No shit? Damn. Fuck that!" Really stimulating conversation (I say with the utmost sarcasm) but at least they perceive me as a good listener (even though I was a good listener all along, but this way their perception reflects that lol.)
Like, I have one friend, she moved out of state but she still calls to catch up about 1x weekly, and I know a lot about her life but all she knows about mine is "Damn. That sucks. Wow. No shit? Damn. Fuck that!" as she vents about work or her boyfriend (to another guy, and we have a bit of a history, tbh he would prob be mad if he knew but I've only met him once, so what can I do about it), or talks about her plants, until she gets home from her drive from work and says she's got to go inside. In her mind, we have great conversations, yet in mine they're usually barely conversations they're so one sided.
I'm not mad about it (I actually think it's funny, and I have my own people to talk to so I don't "need" her for that or anything crazy), but I do think the other comments are right that it's a difference in how our brains work, or possibly how we perceive that advice, or how we perceive who is giving that advice. I think (in my experience anyway, since that's what I'm made of) it seems like my male friends take it more as help for real (and assume I offered it because I care, at that), whereas women in my life take the advice not as "help" but as an insinuation that they are incapable of figuring the problem out for themselves, which is of course not my intention (but that's why if any woman wants my advice she unfortunately has to explicitly ask for it. I know that's hard to ask for advice sometimes but I miss social cues a lot so it's just safer for everyone this way, less women mad at me lol, shitsux for an ADHD guy accused of but not diagnosed with autism haha. Men I'll just talk to like regular though, they dgaf about shit lol.)
Nail in the head in YouTube is the classic here
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-4EDhdAHrOg&feature=share7
This is the one I thought of
https://youtu.be/7hFAv8z8xmw