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For those who haven't heard, yes, there was another school shooting, this time a highschool in Georgia (United States, obviously). 2 students and 2 teachers were killed, nine people injured, and the suspect is in custody. (How they're not dead is beyond me)
I've gotten so used to school shootings that I see one like that and think "hooray, only four deaths!"
Unfortunately it did work out better than others, and yet two teachers and two 14 year old children were killed.
The FBI had been out to see the 14yr old who murdered classmates and teachers. Spoken with his parents, and him. He denied everything, no probable cause, so they put the schools on alert, and that made for a quicker response.
Which means this went really well by comparison to other school shootings, and yet it clearly wasn't good enough - two 14 year old students and two teachera died.
Oh, so we knew this kid was a problem but we didn't actually do anything but tell the school to be ready to get shot up.
What a fucking stupid country.
They also went to the kids house and investigated, but they didn't have proof of anything that would meet any criteria for arrest, yeah.
So they discussed with the parents, discussed with the school, discussed with the police, etc. I can't say I blame the FBI here for what they were able to do based on anonymous reports about comments made online. I wouldn't feel comfortable with giving any federal agency just free reign to arrest on anonymous reports alone, that's just opening a new form of swatting to me.
But clearly, its not enough, and that's the issue. For example, restricting the access to guns would have been good. Restricting access on a larger scale would be better.
Instead... We have two teachers and two 14yr old kids dead.
The school could have suspended him after hearing he was investigated by the FBI. I wonder if the school even told any of the parents about this. I'd be furious if the school knew this kid was a threat and did nothing to keep him away from other students.
I gotta stop talking about this and find some funny memes because my kid is currently at a high school now, and could be the next victim, and not having any power or knowledge about someone shooting them fills me with rage and frustration.
Not really - same problem, no proof it was him that posted. The kid having access to guns after being seen as a person who might do this, that's the problem.
The parents doing functionally nothing is a problem.
The total lack of any change from this is also a problem.
My kids are younger, but unfortunately that just means more years of worry at this point, because nothing is changing.
The problem is that the administrators are too busy following the rules to deal with anything, from bullying to shootings. I bet they'd let a baby die in a hot car because it's against the rules to break the window.
I think you're underestimating how many times the FBI (police, whomever) go out and speak with someone. There will be a lot of kids who did nothing wrong, who have not planned to do anything wrong, which would be suspended or otherwise "handled".
That's not good either. Especially when the issue is quite obviously guns and complete lack of laws around them in GA.
If the school can't suspend him for allegedly making this threat there's no way they'd be able to take the guns out of the house for the same thing. There's no right to an education in the Constitution, but there is a right to bear arms.
There was no proof it was him who made a threat - that's the point.
There are ways to take away weapons from people when a threat is credible, during the course of an investigation.
There should be more limits on access to guns regardless.
The constitution needs an update. For one, this was not the purpose of the second amendment, and two, its an amendment - just like every other aspect of the constitution, it can be changed.
There is no gun crime without guns. The idea that we need to look anywhere else is, to me, absolutely ludicrous and shameful.
Edit: Regarding the edit - the fact that there is no right to education is also a problem, albeit a different one.
The idea that the 2nd amendment exists but nothing regarding education does should not mean "Well fuck all these kids because 1 out of several hundred may have actually been a threat" is completely deranged to me. Sorry, but there is no world where you're going to convince me otherwise. The problem is the guns.
I'm saying that if I were a principal and the FBI let me know they talked to a kid my response wouldn't be to wait for him to show up, regardless of what the rules say, because I care more about kids not getting shot than the rules. Which is why I'm not a principal.
Also, if the threat wasn't credible enough to suspend him, it was definitely not credible enough to remove the guns from his parents' possession. The guns would still have been there.
Anyways, this topic pisses me off more than the awful conference call I'm avoiding so I'm not going to respond anymore.
I agree its good you're not the principal.
And I would disagree on not being able to seize weapons, hell they can seize anything without a crime today, that's what civil asset forfeiture is. No crime even needs to be committed, no arrest needs to be made, and its legal for them to do today. Republicans would lose their collective marbles over it though - but fuck them.
But directly incarcerating (or punishing kids based on an unknown set of anonymous sources) would absolutely be a problem.
I hope your day gets better.
Just wanted to mention, more information has come out.
The investigation was in May 2023. His dad bought him the gun used to kill two children and two teachers as a Christmas present, in 2023. After the visit from the FBI.
His dad has now been arrested as well.
4 victims is the minimum for it to count as a "mass shooting" by the FBI, which seems like both too many and not enough at the same time.
Yeah I was watching something on TV and they cut to a special news report to cover this. I was shocked. Isn’t there a school shooting pretty much every day now? Why did this warrant cutting into valuable day time TV programming? So I’m watching this breaking news wondering what’s so special about this particular shooting that can’t wait until the nightly news at 10:00, and the local police chief is giving a press conference breaking down in tears about how he never thought he would have to handle a school shooting and I’m like has your dimbass been paying attention to anything that’s been going on in this country for the last few decades? I would expect you to have a manual on your desk with procedures on how to handle this. Instead this yokel is rambling on about good and evil. I just smh.
Not quite daily, but yeah there have been a lot
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(2000%E2%80%93present)
I had to do an unfortunate amount of scrolling after clicking 2020s…
Quick edit: by gawd the kid’s name was literally Colt
It's a little less than once per week, on average. School shootings are much more rare. Wikipedia has the list, but it makes me too depressed to go through and tally it up to get the average.
Considering there are tens of thousands of schools across the US, most cops will never have to deal with a mass shooting, much less a school shooting.
No there isn't, the media and gun control groups love to act like there is. The reality is much more nuanced than guns bad. Ban them and all this magically stops
Yeah. It's only one every week!
Yea...no it's not.
Even NPR did a report on it:
https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/08/27/640323347/the-school-shootings-that-werent
But you'll ignore it and keep eating the bullshit from GVR and other anti-2a groups.
Hahahaha. That's from 2018 with data from the 2015-2016 school year. Fucking hilarious.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(2000%E2%80%93present)
https://www.calendar-365.com/week-number.html
I know it's amazingly presumptuous of me to assume you can figure out the rest, but I'll let you go ahead and do that.
Are you suggesting because its not super recent it's wrong? The fuck...
Also, you're wiki article literally proves my point.
First line in 2020
Yea...counted as a school shooting.
I'm sorry. How many times per week has someone shot a gun in a school in the US in 2024 again?
I can't seem the find that in your reply...
According to your link, it's not even monthly....
Not a school shooting....nor by students...but its for some reason there...in the list. That entire list is basically shit like that.
So it's pretty damn rare, but you can't be bothered to even read your own sources, so you'll continue to stick your fingers in your ears and act like facts don't exist.
Wow. You're really bad at math. Maybe the reason you think this isn't a problem is because you've never been in school?
Wanna try again?
EDIT: Naaaah. I'll just give it to you. You're right! It's only once a month.
Just because it want to see how much of a fucking idiot you'll make of yourself trying to bend farther over backwards to see if you can walk it back to once a year and still look like a fucking psychotic moron.
Will probably work better than whatever is done now. Which is fuck all.
It won't, we fix the underlying foundation. You don't repair a house with foundation issues by painting the walls.
It's literally the foundation in your stupid analogy. But whatever, it's your kids, what do I care.
I'll keep upvoting these Onion posts every week it happens.
No it's not, people don't become violent because of an object...and you're right, if you don't live here then keep your nose out of the issue.
Gun nuts...
Oh I'm keeping my nose out of it. But it doesn't mean I will stop ridiculing your idiotic obsession with an object that you obviously care more about than the lives of innocent kids.
I can see that the Onion title goes over your head, but I'm not suprised.
Your ignorance on the topic shows. There are hundreds of millions of firearms in the hands of civs here in the states. If we had a gun problem, you'd know about it. We have an issue with our society that helps breed these issues and an inanimate object isn't the root cause of it, but you wouldn't understand this.
You have a gun problem. The world knows about it, trust me.
We have a lot of problems, which present themselves with as other problems. You thinking you know how our country works shows how little you know.
I don't need to know how your country works, to know that mass-shootings in schools is a problem your country has lol.
Cope harder.
Lol you're telling me to cope? No one has taken my firearms lol the fuck am I coping about? I'm not the one coming into a euro thread and whining
"whining" about kids dying in schools?
I can see that you're more concerned about your peepee enhancers than the kids. Definitely not a weirdo.
I can see you run on emotions vs facts. Assuming you're one of those people who is for locking up women for killing their rapist/attackers.
Lmao these arguments... I cannot...
"One of those people". Ah yes, random civilians "locking up women for killing their attackers".
Oh, and we're definitely bringing up self-defence with automatic rifles when talking about mass-murdering children in schools.
Fucking brain of a pigeon, and not a smart one. Knowing that people like you own guns creeps me the fuck out. Bunch of weirdos. Yuckh
Yea they literally do that shit in the UK...
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63636409
But you know... it's fine because no one used a gun and the victim went to jail.
Automatics are basically banned here, but you keep presenting that deep knowledge you have on the topic.
Lol yea... I'm the dumb one...
Links an unrelated article about illegal personal vendetta
struts around like a winner
I'm gonna stop responding, because you're creeping me out. I'm feeling uncomfortable because I feel like you might start stalking me and shoot me, like you people do in the US.
Talk to you on the next school-shooting topic next week. Enjoy trying to fuck a gun.
Ok kid
Once people think it's normal then that becomes a culture. That is even harder to remove.
The boy was white
Oh that explains it
As non American I wonder. There was a crime committed, police couldn't do anything to prevent it, it's not the first or the tenth such crime, obviously it will happen again. Will anyone do something about it? Or the government(the entity made to prevent such things) answer is just "till next time boys"?
Many of us have the same question. Typically, when these questions are bought to our elected officials, we get something along the lines of "Thoughts and prayers."
I'm late to this post, but now there has been another one, in Maryland
Damn someone should start keeping track
Oh wait
And this one hasn't even recorded Maryland yet