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this post was submitted on 05 Sep 2024
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I'd be glad if NATO didn't exist.
It would mean countries wouldn't feel threatened by their neighbors, and no invasions would happen.
But until that is the case, NATO is necessary.
I would much prefer every country in the planet being in NATO.
Any country attacks any other country? Literally the whole world goes to defend it. So no invasions are possible.
It wouldn't work though. Wouldn't take much time for alliances to form that agree to not follow NATO'S rules.
Nah, I want war. I want the rest of the world to go to war with the US. They've got a Nazi problem. We beat the Nazis in 1945 and we might need to beat them again in 2045.
My brother in freedom, we first need to make sure the US and all of our big shiny weapons are on the side against the Nazis. I think we have a good shot at it, but it’s not a guarantee.
Lmfao who's the warmonger now?
My brother in freedom, we first need to make sure the US and all of our big shiny weapons are on the side against the Nazis. I think we have a good shot at it, but it’s not a guarantee.
Nato already does not enforce their mission against the US and US backed vassel states
When did the US invade a member of NATO, again?
Sorry, their presumed mission of ensuring peace in Europe through collective defense.
It's built and structured around Russia being the main antagonist but it's mostly been the US who's activities have been destabilizing the security of Europe.
But you're right, the explicit mission is to protect their members and noone else, so I guess everything is working as intended
lol
Tell me more about how America's aggression turned the Baltic Sea into a NATO lake.
Fascists like you just can't help yourselves when it comes to Russia, can you?
I have no problem acknowledging Russia's aggression and imperialist activities, but NATO fanboys pretend as if NATO members are the 'good guys' and cannot themselves be seen as the instigators of European conflict.
NATO ends up categorizing conflict in Europe into two sides and ignores all conflict originating on the member side. An alliance that includes all members would at least in-theory be more equitable, but we already know that even a global supergovernment can selectively enforce their mission and ignore offenses by particular members.
Hey, want to tell me what the European conflict going on right now is and who instigated it?
Maybe you could also do the last major European conflict too, just for fun?
"NATO is sabotaging European security" is such a braindead talking point that requires not just ignorance, but active denial of reality. It's unsurprising that fascist shitheads find it so very appealing to parrot.
Are we excluding conflicts that involve NATO members but are technically Europe-adjacent?
You're reaching, and I'd bet you have been for a long time. Years even.
However you aren't correct, even technically (Which I'm told is the best kind of correct).
I'd like your comment more if it said: "I’d be glad if NATO didn’t have to exist"
And I'd like your comment more if it said "Ricky is the bestest person on all of the world" but we can't all have what we want.
Are you my hundred year old Jewish great uncle? How'd you get on here?
Every species has weapons embedded into its body, some organisms are specialized members of the species, such as queens and babies, but all species spend a portion of their precious energy budget building weapons.
Given how ruthlessly evolution prunes out anything that doesn’t give an advantage, I think this gives significant information about the nature of existence.
Hostility appears to be as universal as entropy, and just as manageable.
Fun fact. Being the most complex object in the known universe. The human brain is the lowest entropy place we know..
The most complex object in the universe ... according to the brain.
Life feeds on life
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bologna_massacre#False_leads
NATO isn't there to defend you, it's there to serve the interests of a bunch of rulers and elites
That might be hard to grasp but sometimes the interests or rulers and elites do align to some degree with the average person in their country. Most rich and powerful people have a lot of investments that are worth significantly less when unpredictable things such as invasions happen that disrupt trade.
Humanity is literally on the verge of extinction due to global warming and you still believe rulers gives a single shit to anything that isn't money or power? War is a business.
Extinction would kind of interfere with the whole power and money thing.
Go explain that to the biggest 10 companies in the world. I doubt you have enough money to sit at their table. Stop giving a fuck about everything around you and focus on money and wealth alone and perhaps you will get a chance to talk with their executives.
I was just pointing out a flaw in your reasoning. There are no simple answers to complex questions.
I think it's simple to see how greedy people try to take as much as they can without thinking of the consequences. Money and power are a drug
Again if it's just power and money then they would be very much interested in continuation of human spices.
sorry to interrupt but do you believe in climate change and if you do do you understand that since the Paris Agreement the oil companies have been pull more oil out of the ground? if each of these are yes's then what is it your saying? chop of ones noise to spite ones face.
I'm saying humans, even ones opponents are complex and seldom governed by single motives. Most people understand it about themself but like to deny it to others, especially they disagree with or don't like.
do you know anyone with a serious gambling addiction? its hard to witness, total self destruction. most higher earners CEO's have much higher risk tolerance which is what makes a gambler. beyond that, tests done on business students showed higher level of sociopath, and 1 in 3 high level corporate employees/inverter/CEO's are psychopath. these aren't normal people.
I don't think that's how greed work
Thinking that people you don't like are one dimensional won't bring you very far.
Not thinking won't bring you very far either
That does not even make any sense.
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I love it when your ilk fails to popularize backwards ideas and retort with a "you big dumb" style argument.
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Believe it or not, both things can be true
Stuff can be two things!
true dat
Did you even read any of the link posted?
"Only your side can be evil and not mine!"
I mean the rulers and elites live in the same countries as many of us do and they sure as shit don't want war where they live. It might not be here to defend us, but it's here to defend the countries we live in.
War is a business and a tool to get more power. Rulers and elites cares about money and wealth they don't give a fuck about the planet or peasants. Just look around yourself
That's true. But then, if you're a ruler, the best war is one that your own country isn't fighting, but you can profit off of. Which is why they're still incentivized to keep peace in their own countries, but not so much half a planet away.
If you are a ruler you probably don't give a fuck about anything that isn't money and power.
What good is money and power when you have to live in a bunker?
Idk ask them. Billionares or authoritarian rulers are basically addicts who don't make rational choices. Their "bunker" is probably a palace with servants
I can't hear you with that imperialist cock brushing against your tonsils.