submitted 2 months ago by RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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Quick question, I’m looking to make an Mbin account and just wanted to ask if there is any lemmy.ml type of situation to be aware of.

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[-] nutomic@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Wait, when have I ever denied any genocide?

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 7 points 2 months ago

It's more targeted towards Dessalines: https://sh.itjust.works/post/8419342

Don't shoot the messenger, just remembered seeing this post a while back

[-] nutomic@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago

I haven't seen that community before. Some people have way too much time on their hands to keep posting about things they dislike. But at least it proves that censorship on Lemmy is impossible, when not even us developers can do it.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

At least there is that, indeed...

On a completely unrelated topic, I see that lemmy.ml is now running 0.19.6-beta, do you have any estimation for the release of 0.19.6?

[-] nutomic@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago

Not sure, I just got back to work this week and need to catch up with everything.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 3 points 2 months ago

Thank you, good luck !

[-] Die4Ever@programming.dev 1 points 2 months ago

I think probably the biggest holdup for 0.19.6 right now looks like https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/4983

I subscribed to the issue so I can see its progress

[-] cacheson@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago

Wait, when have I ever denied any genocide?

I don't have receipts handy for that right now, though the company you keep does say something about you.

I do have you on your weird transphobic conspiracy theory, though.

[-] nutomic@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 months ago

Big words from someone who posts anonymously, and who never contributed anything positive to the internet.

[-] cacheson@piefed.social 3 points 2 months ago

Ah yes, I sure am making any effort whatsoever to conceal my identity? Weird dodge there, guy.

At this point even someone as ideologically blinded as you should be able to see that the presence of you and your tankie friends is a liability to the project. Why do you think OP is looking to avoid a "lemmy.ml type of situation"?

[-] nutomic@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago

Ah yes Im a liability to Lemmy which wouldnt even exist without my work. Troll harder kiddo.

[-] cacheson@piefed.social 0 points 2 months ago

I'm not saying that the work you've previously done should be undone. Ideally you would abandon your shitty politics instead of your development work, but I assume that's out of the question.

From the perspective of those trying to advocate for people to actually use lemmy, the instances that you run, lemmy.ml and lemmygrad, are a serious problem. Together with hexbear, they're the "missing stairs" of the threadiverse. We're constantly having to tell people "Yeah, it's understandable that you don't want to associate with tankies, but it's really not so bad if you just block those three instances, and don't mind that two of them are run by the lead developers of lemmy". You walking away would be a net benefit at this point.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago

You walking away would be a net benefit at this point.

It's not that obvious.

Who would take over Lemmy development? Mbin and Piefed are getting there, but still far from catching up (Piefed has no API so no apps, Mbin only has one app)

Lemmy is still missing some impactful features which might really make it a 1:1 Reddit alternative

multicommunities
Post flairs, which could then be filtered

In a scenario where we are only left with Mbin and Piefed, we would probably have to wait another year to get to where we are now with Lemmy.

[-] cacheson@piefed.social -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You walking away would be a net benefit at this point.

It’s not that obvious.

At the very least, we're at the point where the counterargument to mine is merely damning with faint praise.

I haven't tried Mbin, and as a Piefed user I agree that it's not there yet. I'm not suggesting that they should replace Lemmy as the backbone software of the threadiverse. However, Lemmy will continue to run in the absence of active development.

I expect Sublinks to eventually overtake Lemmy since it's being designed as a drop-in replacement, in a language better suited to web development than Rust. The dev team also aren't pathological authoritarians, as far as I know. If development on Lemmy were to stop, the threadiverse community's attention and resources would significantly shift towards Sublinks, which would benefit us all in the long run.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago

I’m not suggesting that they should replace Lemmy as the backbone software of the threadiverse.

Interesting, because that's what I could see happening once they catch up. Unfortunately that's not for now.

I expect Sublinks to eventually overtake Lemmy since it’s being designed as a drop-in replacement, in a language better suited to web development than Rust.

Sublinks was announced in January 2024. We're in September, and the 0.1 version still isn't going to be released any time soon: https://github.com/orgs/sublinks/projects/1/views/6

I was hopeful for Sublinks as well at the beginning, but it seems like it's not going to be the one replacement a lot of people were waiting for.

At this point in time, I think Piefed has the highest chances at becoming a 1:1 Lemmy alternative. Development has been fast. Maybe in 6 months or a year it can really reach feature parity.

[-] cacheson@piefed.social 1 points 2 months ago

Fair enough, I hadn't been keeping track of their pace of development. Doesn't look super active.

I'm operating under the assumption that for a while the bulk of new user growth will happen on the existing larger instances, which are all running Lemmy, rather than Piefed or Mbin instances growing faster than them. I think that'll remain true even once Piefed and Mbin are more featureful than Lemmy, unless the gap is really significant.

If that turns out to be true, then for Lemmy to no longer be the dominant software, the existing big instances would need to switch, which wouldn't be a trivial task. Piefed or Mbin could add the ability to migrate an existing Lemmy database, but I assume that it would be overall easier and less risky for them to move to a Lemmy clone than to a different system.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 1 points 2 months ago

Yes, that's also the big issue: migration.

While, to be fair, if LW moves to lemmy.world to piefed.world as the main site and keeps LW alive for archiving purposes, it should be okay. Discussions don't go over for that long anyway.