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Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez recently made headlines for calling perennial Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein “predatory” and “not serious.” AOC is right.

Giving voters more choices is a good thing for democracy. But third-party politics isn’t performance art. It’s hard work — which Stein is not doing. As AOC observed: “[When] all you do is show up once every four years to speak to people who are justifiably pissed off, but you're just showing up once every four years to do that, you're not serious.”

To be clear: AOC was not critiquing third parties as a whole, or the idea that we need more choices in our democracy. In fact, AOC specifically cited the Working Families Party as an example of an effective third party. The organization I lead, MoveOn, supports their 365-day-a-year efforts to build power for a pro-voter, multi-party system. And I understand third parties’ power to activate voters hungry for alternatives: I myself volunteered for Ralph Nader in 2000, and that experience helped shape my lifelong commitment to people-first politics.


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[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

And you have most likely decided out of your own will to remain a member of a country supporting genocide. You likely continue to pay taxes, that then go on to support genocide.

[-] The_Terrible_Humbaba@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 months ago

Are we really doing the "yet you participate in society" meme?

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

I was doing a reductio ad absurdum. I'm not doing a meme.

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works -3 points 2 months ago

It's the same bad logic as the meme, but isn't the same logic you're criticizing.

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Yeah that's kinda how a reductio ad absurdum works.

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

Isn't that when one does use the logic they're criticizing, but in a silly way?

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 0 points 2 months ago

And many of us would leave if we had the means and ability to be accepted elsewhere.

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

And I am sure many would leave the DNC if they had the means and ability to be accepted elsewhere. Unfortunately our electoral systems are set up so that if you're not in one of the two parties, your chances of winning are nil in many cases.

[-] index@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 months ago

Are you really compare the two things? People do not decide to be born in america and the average person doesn't have the luxury to go in another country. This person decided to be a member of a party supporting a genocide just like someone decides to become a trump supporter

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Are you really compare the two things?

Yes

This person decided to be a member of a party supporting a genocide just like someone decides to become a trump supporter

Here's the thing though, Americans don't have the luxury of going to another party, because only two of them are viable. So if you want to make political change your choices are incredibly restricted.

[-] index@sh.itjust.works -5 points 2 months ago

There's plenty of parties and you can make your own too. Perhaps they don't pay or make you popular as much as red and blue but that's another story.

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Unless it is a local election, you have no chance of winning unless you're in one of the two main parties. So candidates almost always choose to join one of the parties.

[-] index@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 months ago

I guess these who are in for the seat in power and not to back their ideals do just that.

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

I disagree. While that's probably the case nine times out of ten, just because somebody is in a higher power seat doesn't mean they got there because they're greedy.

There needs to be change and protections at higher levels of government too.

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