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Jill Stein Is Killing the Green Party
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Whens that?
Depends. How hard are you working on it?
The Green Party is.
Im supporting the leading candidate that has ranked choice voting as part of their platform
And you’re completely aware that won’t work?
Maybe he just needs to work harder on it.
Its the only thing that can. Its not happening until then
So it won’t work. Okay then, we’re on the same page there.
Boy that sure is the opposite of what i said
San Francisco has had ranked choice voting for years, and the fucking Green party didn't get it for us lmao
Progressive Democrats like ranked choice voting.
If you are talking about federal candidates, it is not the only thing that can, and in fact it won't happen even then because a federal candidate gets zero say in how the elections are done.
No federal office is going to give you RCV.
The logistics of federal elections are the purview of the state governments.
That one's interest do not lie with understanding anything. They're either too naive to. Or paid to appear to naive to
They will if we elect them
When Congress votes it into law.
It's not up to Congress, states decide how to run their elections.
Not true when it comes to Congressional races. I did a post a couple days ago about a bill that three Dems just introduced https://lemmy.world/post/19772020
Until they don't. That's not a guaranteed feature. As SCOTUS and Conservatives have taught me over the last several years, historical precedent doesn't mean shit.
We elect congress
Yep. Glad you see the progression.
Step 1:elect people that support ranked choice voting.
I.E. jill stein
How can she be elected?
Votes. Same way as everyone else
If Jill Stein thought she had a chance, she'd join the Democratic Party and actually campaign to win. She's just running for the self-indulgence despite hurting civil rights and climate initiatives.
The democratic party is too conservative and corrupt. Steins platform doesnt align with theirs.
I've never heard a single position of hers that is too liberal. Even Andrew Yang was given his time to make his case. Voters said no.
The problem is that she's not actually popular enough with voters to get elected, let alone popular enough in the liberal half of the country to get nominated. She's saying the game is rigged because she doesn't actually have a chance.
The game actually favors her. RCV would help a moderate like Manchin get elected.
I didnt say shes too liberal, i said the DNC is too conservative. Corporate tax cuts, increased military spending, bribed by corporations, legislating on industries they own stock in, strike busting.
If the DNC is too conservative, then she is inversely too liberal for the DNC. And she isnt, it's not a monolith. She would be more than welcome in the more liberal half of the government.
If she wants to change it, she should join and do so. She might not succeed. That's how Democracy works. She'd be more likely to succeed though.
The inverse doesnt have to be true. I dont want to work at mcdonalds doesnt mean mcdonalds doesnt want to hire me. Part of the DNCs corruption is trying to consolidate power by buying out every politician they can. Which is how we got people like Manchin.
jill stein is running for congress?
Why is the Green party not focused on congressional candidates then?
https://www.gp.org/elections
Maybe they should take some of the money they spend on Stein's vanity run and instead use it on their Congressional races.
When's the last time you saw an ad for a Green Party candidate? Or saw a candidate holding rallies in your state?
There's plenty of local and even state positions where Republicans run unopposed and Democrats don't even put up a candidate. Why aren't Greens investing in those races? Those are literally the perfect opportunity for Greens to start making headway.
Because when i think "spending too much on presidential campaigns", I think Green Party
This is the kind of disconnect that happens when you start from a conclusion (green party bad), and then try to work backwards to figure out why. I havent even seen an ad for Jill, let alone for less prominent green party candidates.