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Would yall stop with this rhetoric? You mean as long as voter suppression tactics continue to deny a lot of people their right to vote including by making voting inaccessible and/or unfair? Hopefully despite that people can rally and fight against it and use their rights and vote?
It's not a "laziness," thing, it's a serious systemic issue with our voting process. Stop victim blaming.
To the extent that that is a factor affecting a person's actual ability to vote, yes, that is what I mean, thank you.
However: by and large, that is not why Americans don't vote.
"A lack of time" from your article as the third reason - that's literally voter suppression. That's explicitly what I referenced in my comment. You proved me right with your source. I also am not 100% positive that YouGov can conduct the type of research and polling needed to even BE a source for this topic anyway though.
Y'all? Excuse me sir/madam, but it's y'all that needs to cut it out with the rhetoric.
The level of effort to cast a vote, even in states with aggressive voter suppression, is still lower than the impact that the next 4-6 years of policy will have. Every state has options for mail voting or early voting.
You'd have a hard time convincing me that someone who intends to vote would decide not to unless they're simply too lazy to be bothered. If mild shaming encourages even a single person to exercise their right to vote, it's worth doing.
In fact, I'd even go so far as to say that it's people like you coming out here and coddling people with your sYsTeMiC iSsUeS that is enabling people to consider voting and instead think, "hmm, do I want to deal with the systemic voter suppression issue or should I just skip voting this time? Yeah, I don't want to wait in a line or cast my vote early, so best to just sit this one out and complain about the outcome."
It's not victim blaming, it's reminding people that they have a CIVIC DUTY to vote, just like registering for the draft or getting called for jury duty.
Okay, so this was about your ego the whole time, got it.
I one time, in 2016, stood in a line to vote in a caucus primary for over 4 hours. We were crammed in a gym because turnout was so unexpected and huge, and it took another 2 hours once everyone was inside to actually finish voting. This doesnt even get into registration issues which they said were "just glitches," but meant people still couldnt vote. People who were disabled had to leave because they couldn't physically endure the voting process. People in wheelchairs had to leave - couldnt get off their ass ig, like you said. Laziness, that classist ableist chestnut. People who had kids and jobs also had to leave because they literally didn't have alternatives and could not afford alternatives. Lazy parents and workers.
I remember feeling stunned as I watched voters leave. "Wow, this is voting suppression in action," I realized. People had to go back to work or they'd be fired. They literally couldn't physically vote. That was the entire intent of how the votes were set up. It was genuinely stunning. And the people leaving were angry too, they wanted to vote.
And there you are, you blame the people who were victims of this? Just because you enjoy feeling superior? Really helpful for your cause. Sorry the disabled grandma in a wheelchair needed her insulin and had to go home.
It's not about your entitlement to their actions or the public's entitlement to someone's actions. It's about individuals being able to enforce their rights and their voice and their autonomy - THAT'S why people should vote. Not because they owe anyone else anything, but because they owe themselves that right.
You're literally mimicking abusive relationships by using fear, obligation, guilt, and shame to force behavior. And then wonder why people don't like Dem messaging.