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[-] slickgoat@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Australia has optional preferential voting. If there is 10 candidates, you can list them in order you want, but you don't have to pick them all. You can stop at any point. Pick 3 or 4 in order, or say 7, but you don't have to rank the nazi at all.

[-] morrowind@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

That's pretty much star voting, except you can give candidates the same ranking

[-] slickgoat@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Ok. But why rank them the same?

I don't see the point. In preferential voting you choose your candidates in a ranked order, so if number 5 doesn't make the cut in the final count, your next vote (number 4) kicks in, and so on. Not exactly - all number 1 votes are tallied, and the losers are eliminated and then the second vote from the loser candidate gets tallied and so on until the winner is chosen. In this way your ranked choice is never exhausted until a winner arises. Your number 3 choice may get voted in. All votes are potentially important. FPTP sounds like a crap shoot.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Because that may be the most accurate description of your actual preference, which is what a vote should be.

If your vote retabulates when someone is eliminated, you still need to be strategic with your rankings. you want to make sure that your preferred candidates are not eliminated, but you also want to make sure that you're ranking doesn't cause one of your preferred candidates to be eliminated prematurely. with star voting, vote always counts.

[-] slickgoat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I'm afraid that I still don't get it, most probably because I am thick.

Someone has to be eliminated. That's the whole point of elections. OPV means that your choice counts, well your preferences do. It also means that you don't have to vote for the person you don't want to, but you can rank your preferences. It is very rare that I would rank a bunch of people the same value. It is generally easy to rank candidates.

In our senate we sometimes have to rank over 100 candidates. If you do that you must number every box and can't make a mistake. Or, the parties have registered their preferences and you just tick one box for your chosen party and that's it. So it's either one box ticked or 100 or so. The optional thing is that you don't have to pick all 100, but that changes sometimes due to party politics playing with the system. One the whole, our electoral system limits how much political parties can mess about with elections. For instance, no party chooses electoral boundaries. Gerrymandering doesn't happen here anymore. It used to, but not now.

I shall have to investigate the STAR system.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Your system sounds fine. The benefits of STAR over OPV is just the two situations you described. One, you can rank two choices the same, and two, you can modify your preferences by adding or erasing stars.

The downside to Star voting is that you should have at least as many stars as candidates. But if there were 100 options, that's going to be a massive ballot no matter what you do.

[-] morrowind@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

There's no runoff If I remember, all your votes are tallied instantly, so you rank them the same if you feel the same towards them

[-] khannie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Ireland also has this. It's great. I believe that's what's being referred to as "ranked choice voting" in this thread.

I would generally go quite far down the ballot though I do believe some stop at 1 or 2.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

That's certainly better than what we have.

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