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3rd party voters are too small a bloc to carry a candidate, and pandering to that bloc at the expense of alienating moderates is strategically stupid.
It's like you're building the tallest tower. In a tight contest, every block helps, and a small block might be the difference between a success and failure if the competition is close enough. But trading a big block to get a smaller block is just plain dumb. There's no reason to "earn" something that's mutually exclusive with a more valuable something you already have.
The bourgeoisie politicians will be materially fine win or lose, it's the prole voters who will materially suffer due to their "strategic" 3rd party vote. It stands no chance of winning, and there's no mechanism to associate it with specific complaints. 3rd party voting isn't even effective at the intended goal, it's just a bad play.
But hey, go ahead. FA, FO.
Math is hard, though, can't they just treat voting like a fun self-indulgence and not something that affects peoples' lives?
The dems are FA and will FO. Opposing genocide is not "pandering".
Again, the Democratic politicians will be just fine if they lose, the rest of us won't.
Plenty of people aren't fine now, and the democrats don't care. Elections are won by politicians and campaigning. You can be mad at voters all you want, but it's up to politicians to go out and get the votes.
I've said the same thing twice which you have ignored both times:
The politicians will be fine. The people who suffer are the voters. It is up to the voters to vote in their best interest. You can be mad at politicians all you want, but you have to look out for yourself, and sometimes that means holding your nose and voting against the evil that poses a greater threat to you, your loved ones, and the vulnerable among us.
Who suffers when you proudly declare that fascism lite didn't do enough to earn your vote, while fascism extra strength rounds up minorities and declares women to be property?
Nobody is going to suffer from my vote or non vote.
Women, immigrants, and minorities are "nobody" I guess. Cool, good to know.
How will they be harmed by me voting or not? Me specifically? Good to know you are happy enough with the status quo of murdering tens of thousands of children to not put the slightest amount of pressure on your political leadership.
No one raindrop is specifically responsible for a flood or drought, but all of them play a role.
You'll be glad to know protest voting also does not put the slightest amount of pressure on political leadership. Not only are you not helping Palestinian children one iota, you're also helping women and minorities to lose their rights.
So my raindrop of voting is important, but not your raindrop of pressure?
What pressure? Neither voting third party nor abstaining applies pressure. Voting for one of the current parties actually accomplishes something, so yes.
So parties don't care about votes or winning?
Edit: or is this the meme about show up and vote every four years and pat yourself on the back?
Sure they do, which is why non-voters don't matter to them. The most vocal abstainers find a new reason the Dems aren't good enough every cycle, so pursuing them doesn't help win. Taking a hard line on Israel might pick up a couple people, but it will alienate a much larger bloc, which also hurts their chances of winning.
They have zero incentive to try to get your vote. You'll move the goalposts when they try, and they'll drive more voters away in the process.
There are blocks of voters out there, right now, begging the dems to stop supporting genocide. These are people who would otherwise vote for the dems, but cannot in good conscience do it under these circumstances.
Yes, and those blocs are smaller than the blocs who support Israel. Trading a big number for a small number makes your total number smaller, this is simple arithmetic.
Those people are helping an alternative which is at least as bad for Palestine, and much worse for many other people. Those people should reevaluate exactly how good their conscience is, when they prioritize their personal feelings over the tangible suffering of others. I know some of those people personally, they are without exception spoiled kids who have never had to make messy, difficult decisions in no-win scenarios.
It's just "personal feelings" lol. It's like you just can't admit that you are going to vote for terrible, bloodthirsty criminals. Maybe they'd be polling better with that slogan: "Harris/Waltz: probably less bloodthirsty than the other guy!"
One of the two is going to win. Yes, abstaining is elevating your ego over a difficult decision, who cares what the consequences are so long as you can say you didn't do it. I assume you are also one of those spoiled children who has never had to make a difficult decision then? Keeping your nose clean is more important than mitigating damage?
You are one of those liberals who value the status quo and respectability over all else. You don't give a fuck about anybody suffering under this system. You just want a veneer of decorum over the atrocities so you can go back to ignoring them. You call me and my people spoiled children while we get beaten and jailed by your cops, for protesting a genocide cheered on by your politicians. I wonder if you've thought about what you'll do if Trump wins. Will you go to Canada, washing your hands of the ignorant American electorate? Hey, you voted for the good guys. Everyone else gets what they deserve? Are you buying guns and ammo to defend your vulnerable neighbors? Will you just keep collecting your paychecks? I wonder.
Way off.
I'm a leftist who knows what the word "praxis" means. All your performative posturing doesn't do anything.
The status quo doesn't change because you squander your vote, it changes one seat at a time. If we really outnumber them, we could replace them. From the bottom up. The status quo is too powerful to overthrow, it has to be consumed.
You're making up fantasies about me, so it's only fair I make them up about you. You do your praxis and I'll do mine.