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If indeed your job is to just enforce the rules in the sidebar (and assuming we somehow ignore that authority in a subject comes with responsibility over said subject), why are you commenting on the topic from a position of authority at all? Clearly that's an overstep of the premise you have put forward. But while I understand you think you were trying to be helpful, what you're actually saying is that I should just "not think about it". That doesn't, you know, actually help. If your advice is going to be "don't read the news" why do you moderate this group at all? That's literally a textbook example of acting in bad faith. Despite the fact you don't read the sources you throw out to support your point, you claim to be somehow knowledgeable enough in this topic to advise others on if they should/should not consume said media based of a single comment you repeatedly misrepresent.
And that's not kindness or understanding, squid. That's being a jerk.
What on Earth are you talking about? In what way am I commenting from a position of authority?
You see that green 'M' next to your name?
Going to point something out to you btw: Whenever you receive criticism, you only ever address the aspect of that criticism you can argue against. Please, can you respond to the parts about you being extremely rude to people that have done nothing to deserve it? Or anything else I said, besides one minor point that was poorly clarified on my part?
Yes I do. That doesn't mean everything I say makes me some sort of authority. It means I enforce the rules in the sidebar.
Look, get as stressed as you like. Go run through the streets screaming and tearing your clothes for all I care.
I was only trying to help.
But that literally does make you an authority within this forum. Cops are not regarded as intelligent in pretty much any discipline (for good reason), but they still are a figure of authority whenever they are in uniform. Many of them, too, do not realize this, because it's not something that's particularly obvious when you're the person wielding that authority. (You're not a cop, for starters you're clearly too genuinely caring and intelligent to qualify to be a cop, that was just a convenient metaphor)
You have the authority to moderate so many communities, but if you don't understand that that is in itself authority it explains the reputation you're getting for how you approach conversations. No matter what you do, if you have the ability to casually end the conversation by banning a participant (something you have demonstrated many times before) that conversation is not between equals, it is between an authority figure and a modern plebeian.
Seriously, I still don't dislike you (despite you having accused me of that many times before), this is just something incredibly fundamental to any discourse that I think you may not have understood. I understand you were trying to help, but unless you can bring peace to the Korean Peninsula it's sadly not going to salve the stress of an unhinged lunatic with nuclear weapons goading people into paying, or just paying attention, to him. It sucks, but sometimes you can't help, you can only offer sympathy and community.
The authority to exercise that discretion is perhaps the most important thing you are responsible for. (Especially in an international forum, where people (cough me) might have family in Seoul.)
(Deflecting uncomfortable truths with a .gif is both disappointingly insulting and pretty transparent. I haven't done anything that warrants that kind of rudeness, you know that.)
You can't invalidate what I'm saying with that, and you probably shouldn't ignore the many threads dedicated to just how poorly you treat the users in the communities you moderate. Some of them are legit assholes who I will happily watch get beaten with your Metaphorical Steel Chair, but so many of them aren't, and I think it's too easy for you to dismiss the commenters who have been hurt by a misunderstanding or rose to defend themselves when a topic was unreasonably escalated as all being those legit assholes, when most of them aren't. I'm not (I like to think, at least), but I just didn't want the kind of help you were offering.
I moderate several things that are orders of magnitude larger ~~and some of them so much shittier tbh, fuck I hate linux devs sometimes~~ than lemmy.world, so believe me I understand exactly how awful this job can be. Being subjected to only vitriol from nazis objecting to your "totally unreasonable" ban while any positive actions you take are entirely constrained to invisible behind the scenes actions is awful. But when every meta thread about the site is has people saying "hey, can the admins please talk to this moderator?" it's a sign that you should ask someone you trust to give you a real answer and see if those people are just assholes, or if maybe you need to reflect on how your behavior is being interpreted by an outside observer.
Edit: (Yo guys don't downvote them, they were just trying to help. Being kind of a jerk about it, but it doesn't help anything to downvote people for sincere if misguided attempts at kindness)