Except Putin is actually doing those things. Ukraine has a draft, which is not great, but isn't kidnapping people off the streets. That's completely disingenuous at best.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The number of people having no idea what’s going on is too damn high. This has been reported by many mainstream Western media outlets for months.

[–] nickhammes@lemmy.world -5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I can only find reports of Russian soldiers kidnapping people in Ukraine, reports of things that seem clearly like conscription and not kidnapping, and things from sources that aren't credible.

Do you have a credible source that shows that this is a real phenomenon? I can't find one

[–] Aradina@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

A BBC article is the first result from just searching it. Its a widely talked about fact and if you can't find "anything" you need to actually read the search results.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz994d6vqe5o

There was one incident where they abducted a 14 year old orphan. https://kyivindependent.com/media-odesa-recruitment-center-investigating-report-of-14-year-old-kidnapped-by-uniformed-men/

[–] nickhammes@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

First result? I couldn't get it as a result at all. I get a bunch of quora threads and articles from really low profile news outlets.

Yeah that is troubling, even if the cause of it is corruption as the second article implies. I understand the draft given the circumstances of the invasion, but sneaking people into vans, beating them, and asking questions later isn't justified at all. Becoming a brutal authoritarian in order to repel the invading forces of another is kinda futile.

[–] Aradina@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago

Consider not using one of the major search engines. Basically all of them filter results.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You can’t find one.

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Are you playing some word game where kidnapping someone for the purposes of conscription does not qualify as kidnapping? What else would they be kidnapped for, a tickle party?

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago

The Kyiv regime most definitely kidnaps people on the streets. Wherever they can find them, really. It's conscription.

[+] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org -11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ukraine has a draft, which is not great, but isn't kidnapping people off the streets. That's completely disingenuous at best.

Yeah, Zelensky's regime definitely doesn't kidnap people off the streets. There are no masked people hunting people on the streets and putting them into vans without plates. Videos about that happening almost every day, especially so in last week are all fakes and Russian propaganda (even when Ukrainian sources write about it).

[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There are no masked people hunting people on the streets and putting them into vans without plates. Videos about that happening almost every day, especially so in last week are all fakes and Russian propaganda (even when Ukrainian sources write about it).

The source you linked doesn’t support your claims at all.

Some people got arrested relating to not following the law relating to the draft. Yes, that’s terrifying. It’s still not even remotely close to what you are claiming.

[–] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org -1 points 11 months ago

The source you linked doesn’t support your claims at all.

Doesn't support which of my claims? Just scroll to the comments, I've archived videos for you there. People in masks and with rifles, throwing people out of cars in the middle of a road, beating people to the loss of consciousness, student beaten for answering a call from his mother, it's all there.

Unmarked vans? Here, enjoy your participation in genociding Ukrainians!

https://files.catbox.moe/4m2o3d.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/wszg2t.mp4