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Young women are alright, right wing support amongst <35 y.o. men is surprisingly high...
Agreed. I'm a teacher and see it in my classrooms. I often feel that they're not taught how to have healthy community, so they become lil fascists...
If they're like my nephew, the "manosphere" gives them easy answers as to why everything seems to suck.
It's also the only answer. Society has really neglected boys for a long time now.
Yup. Patriarchy did them dirty. Society told them they had to be strong, stoic, and without emotion. And when that butted up against the realities of being a human we didn't have any community to lead them towards living a good and healthy life.
You can fault the Right for a lot of things but they got there first on this one. They have a story for why things suck and they’re pounding the drum on it relentlessly. It doesn’t matter that this story is full of holes when the alternative is not compelling.
Yup. The propaganda machine moved quick when they realized this population could be manipulated into action outside of message boards.
Calling it "patriarchy" is thinly-veiled victim blaming, implying that men suffer primarily because of other men's decisions. Everything you describe is perpetuated and maintained by both sexes. The social fabric of modern society, its implicit rules and conventions, is not a male establishment.
Western society is not, at all, a "patriarchy".
Patriarchy did em dirty, but feminism also left them behind. It's not just patriarchal society that forces men to be strong and stoic, it's also self-professed feminists, especially women. Feminists say men should be more in touch with their emotions, but when they do so women have no interest in them. That's one of the realities of life you mentioned.
That's still patriarchy, my guy. They've been raised to be complicit in a system that doesn't benefit them, and they're perpetuating it because they don't like how it feels to step outside of it.
Personally, I find my experience to be much the opposite. But, I'm also in my late thirties so, experiences may differ.
You need to hang out with better women, my man.
See? Dismissive, refusal to acknowledge systemic issues, rugged individualism. That's holdovers from patriarchy and feminists should reject that thought process.
When women have a problem, it is society's fault and we should fix it. When men have a problem, it's their own fault and they individually should fix it. That's not fair, and the fact that no one in the feminist sphere seems to give a shit leaves young men deciding to turn to misogynists for moral support.
Red pill types will say, "we see you. This is a problem. You're not crazy." That's very powerful when there's no alternative.
You have a lot more sympathy for right-wing incels than you do for people who don't support genocide.
We've talked about your singular love for genocide multiple times in the past. In the context of your hatred for feminism and your sympathy for incels, you truly are the voice of centrism.
We've also talked about how the politics mods apparently won't let me defend myself against you even when you follow me to another sub just to pile on me with unrelated...things to say.
HIGHLY UNSPECIFIED THINGS WHICH I AM NOT COMMENTING ON, MODS.
Except to say that it has nothing to do with the discussion at hand, so please talk about something relevant or leave.
Your defense includes mocking genocide victims and screaming "russian shill" at anyone who doesn't agree with your total and unwavering support for genocide for the sheer love of it.
Your ideas regarding support for genocide are right-wing. Just like your sympathy for incels and your rejection of feminism. Your support for right wing ideology and policy is consistent.
I explained how the two are related. If you don't want to interact with me, don't.
Dude, you jumped into this conversation. I don't have much choice but to interact with you.
Also, for the record, I disagree with your characterization of me.
You can ignore me instead of belittling genocide and screaming that I'm a Russian shill. But then that would result in someone saying the genocide is bad without being screamed at, and you can't have that.
Then I'll amend it. Life sucks for everyone, not just the people you identify with. That's not feminism's fault. Quit whining about it.
Can't argue with that.
Literally.
I mean, you could state your case without accusing me of being a Russian shill, but that would require your position to be defensible.
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Friend, I love that you keep standing up to yourself. That user calls everyone who disagrees with him a "russian shill." And he's had plenty of comments removed for incivility.
Good on ya, for staying strong!
Every single woman I know wants a guy in touch with their emotions. And those who found them, married them.
Tell your friends to stop trying to date under 25 year olds. We get over that shit at about this age.
Cool, good for you. That's not the norm. At any age.
It doesn't help that every time we point out how society failed boys, there's always someone who says it's misogynistic to show men any concern....
Being a guy is no cake walk, and if anyone can say that with a straight face it's me.
lights up a cigarette They say women like a bad boy, well, I was so bad at being a boy I became a girl.
Yup. And it's always women and brown folks.
Don't forget LGBTQ and furries. 🙄
The amount of times I've had to address the "students using litter boxes" schtick is absolutely mind boggling.
It's always a school two towns over, and it's always someone who has no attachment to the school attempting to push it.
Tell your nephew that Trump just said he’ll ban video games if he wins.
They know this shit isn't working, so they're siding with the ones who give them someone to blame... It's that simple....
The media is flush with fascist attitudes in a country where going on the computer and listening to fascist rants is all you're allowed to do with your time.
"in a country where [...] all you're allowed to do with your time."
Eh... The same phenomenon is observed all over first world countries and all of those countries you're allowed to do mostly whatever the fuck you want with your free time...
You're free to do what you want and the police are free to rough you up for loitering.
If you stopped listening to fascist folks you could step outside and see that you have a lot more options.
Sorry you're in this rut!