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[-] hsdkfr734r@feddit.nl 6 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I don't think so. Metadata is unencrypted (i.e. your contacts, who sends messages to whom and how often and when).
Messages itself are encrypted.

Am I wrong?

[-] markstos@lemmy.world 8 points 5 hours ago

That is what the article is explaining. The contact names and details are encrypted.

https://engineering.fb.com/2024/10/22/security/ipls-privacy-preserving-storage-for-your-whatsapp-contacts/

Perhaps the call times are exposed but it seems it would be difficult or impossible for them to connect this with a human identity.

Use Signal if you have concerns about WhatsApp.

[-] hsdkfr734r@feddit.nl 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Thanks.

That is what the article is explaining.

The planned improvements are a good thing. I thought we talked about the status right/ until now.

Also: What does it mean then Meta (the company) isn't eager to collect this data (anymore)? This doesn't fit my world view of this company.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 2 points 1 hour ago

They don' want to moderate contents of your convos, it got expensive.

They are still mining the meta data to create cohort groups.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -3 points 5 hours ago

It uses signal Protocol so it has the same design defect for leaking meta data.

Both know who and when you are talking too. And thats really all the data the security apparatus cares about.

[-] hsdkfr734r@feddit.nl 1 points 2 hours ago

I guess that's right. Although I'm (most likely) not a person of interest for any secret service. But the data could be interesting for marketing and insurance companies.

[-] Lojcs@lemm.ee 2 points 4 hours ago

Is that really how it works? I thought signal protocol was about just how the encryption worked, not what is encrypted?

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 points 3 hours ago

I am not following this.

Content of msg is encrypted and everything within but signal server knows when you talk to your girl becuase the server has to route it.

So anytime you initiate a chat, they know that yall doing something.

This meta data is what the game is all about tho.

[-] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago

and yet the only thing they provide upon a court request is the last time you were online and the date you created your account https://signal.org/bigbrother/

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 points 1 hour ago

That's for a generic court. FISA court order would never see a light of day and they would not waste that being exposed to the public.

They have technical capability to collect this meta data, that's a fact.

We know that that for purpose of this court case they either did not or are under order to not disclose.

If security apparatus want this information, they can get it. Do you really think singal will say know and violate US law?

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