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submitted 15 hours ago by otter@lemmy.ca to c/technology@lemmy.world

Privacy advocates got access to Locate X, a phone tracking tool which multiple U.S. agencies have bought access to, and showed me and other journalists exactly what it was capable of. Tracking a phone from one state to another to an abortion clinic. Multiple places of worship. A school. Following a likely juror to a residence. And all of this tracking is possible without a warrant, and instead just a few clicks of a mouse.

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[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 223 points 14 hours ago

This should be illegal. There is absolutely no good reason this should be available to anybody. It should also be considered unconstitutional; if one of those dots is a person, whether you directly know who the person is or not, it should violate the right to privacy and the right of illegal search and seizure — no questions asked.

[-] Gigasser@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Time for faraday cage phone covers/bags to become popular in these states.

[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago

The solution is to subscribe to these services. Then create a website that offers real-time tracking information, freely to the public, of the most wealthy and powerful people in the country. Every Congressperson should have their location shown freely available to all in real time. You could call it "wheresmyrep.org" or similar. Literally all of them tracked like animals in real time, freely shown for any and all to see. Let them live in the fish bowl they've created for us all.

[-] T156@lemmy.world 1 points 18 minutes ago

Although we already know what would likely happen if someone did that. It would just be made illegal to track the locations of congresspeople (and only congresspeople), like it was made illegal to do so during the BLM protests.

[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

We’re kind of seeing that with those private jet trackers. But that’s not changing anything except getting those accounts banned from social media.

[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

I think those just need to move to have their own independent sites instead of basing their operations on social media. Ultimately what they're doing is entirely legal, but it's way too easy for some asshat billionaire to pull some strings to get them pulled from a platform.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 84 points 13 hours ago

You are right. And you're fighting against the credit reporting agencies and google, facebook, apple, and all car manufacturers for privacy rights.

This is the result of jurists and legislators who don't understand a single goddamned thing about computers in 2024. For fuck's sake it's been thirty goddamned years since this was obviously going to happen. Take a class, you bastards! Those of you who aren't Heritage Foundation fascists.

[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 5 points 6 hours ago

I'm convinced that a good number of legislators understand the implications of this stuff on a cursory level, but are convinced (read: bribed) to not care on the "condition" that it doesn't apply to them or their families. They are beholden to their constituents, and their constituents aren't you and me, as we can't afford them.

[-] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 47 points 13 hours ago

It's not getting better either: https://futurism.com/the-byte/gen-z-kids-file-systems

There seems to have been a short window of maybe two decades in the 80s and 90s when computers and the Internet were becoming household staples where almost everyone who grew up in that time period knows what's up, while everyone who didn't is way more ignorant. The older folks are lost because they didn't grow up with computers. The younger kids are lost because they were born into a world of advanced UIs, "plug and play", and software that heavily obfuscates the nitty gritty details of how it works.

Being forced to run command line installers, edit config.sys files, set DIP switches correctly for your front side bus speed and messing with IRQ settings for your sound card and such just to play a computer game will definitely teach you a thing or two. My family's PC came with not only an instruction manual, but an entire language reference for the built in GW-Basic interpreter. Nowadays, you get a laptop with a small pamphlet showing you how to plug it in and turn it on.

[-] Skates@feddit.nl 1 points 22 minutes ago* (last edited 16 minutes ago)

This is correct. But if you don't work in the field, it's fine.

You don't have to know how to bottle wine if you're not a wine maker. You don't need to know how to build a dam if you're not an engineer. You don't have to learn everything about the architecture of an OS if you're a user and not a programmer. Let the kids use their devices without knowing obscure shit, just like people let us wear clothes without knowing how to sew. There are things we should all know how to do - changing a light bulb is cheaper if you don't call an electrician every time it needs to be done. But there are things that are so opaque at first sight that they need to be performed by people with specialized knowledge. And it's okay to not have that knowledge if you're not in that field.

Yes, there are 1-2 generations where everyone was learning how computers work. But there were also quite a few generations where everyone was learning how agriculture and farming works - you know, to survive. And I'll be damned if I wanna have my kids birth a cow or install Linux on their PC. Unless for some godforsaken reason they decide that's their job.

[-] JustZ@lemmy.world 21 points 11 hours ago

Search and seizure, the Fourth Amendment, only applies to State actors. The only exception is when a private entity is acting as an agent of the government, such as in the case of private prisons.

Congress needs to pass consumer protection laws aimed at privacy in the digital age. They haven't updated this sort of thing I believe since 1996. It used to be legal for adult video stores to disclose the tapes people rented, but Congress passed a privacy law forbidding it when some journalists disclosed some of their rentals. The scandal had some cool name. I forgot what.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

The government cannot access the information without a warrant. It does not matter if SPYco lays it all out on a public website. If they needed a warrant to track you before, they need a warrant to check for you on the public website.

Saying the government is allowed to obliterate the 4th amendment because a private company did the hard part is just asking for government aligned corporations to gather it all up and hand it over whenever the government gives them a dollar.

[-] JustZ@lemmy.world 1 points 45 minutes ago

This is not an area of law I stay up to date on, but that did not used to be the case. Is that a rather new development?

Last I knew most courts were holding that since customers are sharing this information with third parties (sharing with their phone companies, Apple and Google, Facebook, giving everything away anyway, most individuals have waived any claim to an expectation of privacy. The right to privacy is founded upon reasonable expectations. I did hear about some pushback on that, more recently, but not from the Court of Appeals from DC, which has jurisdiction over appeals taken from federal agencies, prior to the Supreme Court. I'd be grateful to be shown otherwise. About time, if true.

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