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I feel that many Russians are against Putler's regime, but are (rightfully so) too afraid to speak up.
You are wrong. More than half are in favor of the war in Ukraine.
Ahh yes, polling in a country where saying the wrong thing gets you locked up. Very useful /s
How is what he said wrong? 25% is "many Russians".
25% of 150 million is a pretty large number of people. “Many” is vague enough that you shouldn’t be calling anyone dumb over it.
75% of 150 million is still a significantly larger number, regardless. In this context, does not fall under "many".
And calling a pro-Russian troll dumb is fine, because only feelings are hurt, meanwhile actual lives are being lost thanks to Russians invading Ukraine, and is competitively worse.
I think you're mistaking "many" for "most". There are objectively many Russians against putins bullshit. And the original comment specifically said they're afraid to speak out, meaning part of those you say are for putin are just stuck, like so many others around the world. The only troll here is you, every reply you've gotten is way more friendly than you deserve. (I refuse to capitalize putins name, and wish nothing but death to him, his regime and everyone supporting him).
There can be multiple groups of many people in a population. It doesn’t have to be a majority to be significant.
But it begs the question, why do we care what a minority of people think in Russia? No one here owes any Russian anything. Not Nvidia drivers, not.. anything. I say we firewall the whole Russian state off from the internet and call it a day. Tired of their cheating in every sporting event, killing citizens of other countries, blowing up pipelines, and generally behaving like shitty little gangster hooligans. Is there a small number of good people there? Sure. But thats not any of our problem-- thats their problem.
I think you're confusing "many" with "most". The definition of "many" does not mean the largest, just simply large.
25% of millions of people is still many people, they didn't say "a majority of people".
Hmm little aggressive ya?
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brbposting’s hypothetical response upon having read the above comment:
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How would that number change if all those people had access to independent reporting?
There's an old joke about agents from the CIA and KGB sharing a drink at a pub in Berlin.
"I have to admit, I'm always so impressed by Soviet propaganda. You really know how to get people worked up," the CIA agent says.
"Thank you," the KGB says. "We do our best but truly, it's nothing compared to American propaganda. Your people believe everything your state media tells them."
The CIA agent drops his drink in shock and disgust. "Thank you friend, but you must be confused... There's no propaganda in America."
Joke is going over my head can you explain?
CIA agent 'drinks the kool-aid'
Cold-war era joke, pre-suppose all us media is 'State' media
That is a truly excellent joke. I will remember that
The Trumpublicans in the U.S. have access to independent reporting, yet they choose instead to limit themselves to lies that make them feel like they're better than everyone else.
Maybe it would change but Russian culture is still Russian culture.
Seriously, you can't unshit a pool.
I don't have access to it, but allegedly on VK which is the Russian knockoff of Facebook, they also have similar numbers of a majority in favor of destroying Ukraine.
I mean given that you get arrested for a showing a blank piece of paper and sent to prison/gulag... Do you really think that de-annonymised people would put their opinions forward?
But also in the west where we don't have quite such a police state, we still do have many people who vote against their interests until their own interests are being affected...
Moral of the story... Humans suck
Conservatives suck. The normal people are actually pretty cool.
In favor of what? They aren't being told the truth about anything. They're in favor of an imaginary war for imaginary reasons.
That may be true. But I tend to believe factual journalism over a random internet person's conjecture that you seem to be sure of for some reason.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/27/europe/russia-propaganda-information-ukraine-anniversary-cmd-intl/index.html
From your same source.
Yikes. Sucks to live there. Maybe they should do something about it?
As they should be. US/NATO expansion is an existential threat to Russia. CIA even more brazenly embraced would divide and conquer Russia through splitting it into warring provinces. US has no intention of improving humanity/world if it reduces subjugation to the empire.
The last thing the US wants is a civil war and mass instability in a nuclear nation. That has the capability to shatter MAD. At best, the US wants a regime change.
They have no qualms about taunting a nuclear powered Russia. The return of a CIA puppet like Yeltsin is not likely, but just as Ukraine, there is not the slightest US concern for the welfare/benefit of people. Just destruction, hike price of oil, sell a lot of weapons, and buy the ruins for cheap.
Russia is the existential threat to Russia, that's literally all of Russian history in a nutshell followed by 'and then it got worse'.
Russia will collapse into multiple fragments, because Russians are just idiots who have never agreed on anything without a gun pointed at their families.
It's hilarious how lucky China is to have the largest natural resource motherlode right next door, Russia was asking to be dismantled!
It’s not that they’re for or against. They don’t care.
Well thats not what any polls anywhere say. Where did you get that from? Reminds me of this saying: "Wish into one hand and shit into the other and see which one gets full first."
Nah, propaganda is a hell of a drug