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"No, I'm not doing nothing I'm raising awareness!"
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Letting the water evaporate is not the same as causing the water to evaporate. Letting Trump win (if he will) is not the same as causing Trump to win or helping him win. The baseline is doing nothing. If I did not exist, then the odds would be the same. Therefore I cannot be said to be helping Trump. That's just not how language works. Otherwise you could just as easily say that I'm helping Kamala by not voting for Trump, at which is a clear contradiction.
"You're helping Trump compared to if you had voted Kamala?" Fine. "You're helping Trump?" False. That is how it is and no amount of saying otherwise or trying to play games with language is going to change it.
You're helping trump by not helping kamala.
If someone is running from someone with a knife, and you see which way they went, and the guy with the knife asks you which way they went, you should mislead that person. Anything else, and you're also at fault.
Not helping them win and not fighting against them ultimately mean you're benefitting them.
If nazis were up for election, and you didn't fight against them, you would be at fault for not fighting against them. You can twist words all you want, but it's not going to change the fact that not fighting against them is your choice and that benefits them.
You could've fought them, you agree that they're worse, but you didn't, so, you've benefitted them. They want you to do exactly what you're doing.
It doesn't matter how many times you repeat it, you'll still be as wrong as saying that I'm draining a pool by standing next to it with an empty hose. It's simply not how language works and you can twist words around and tell me otherwise a thousand times, and it just means you'll be dead wrong a thousand times.
"At fault for not fighting something" you can argue that, sure. "Benefiting," or "helping" you cannot. There is no argument, it's just definitionally false.
Why does it matter, actually?
Not fighting trump is also bad. You're letting fascists take over by not fighting trump.
Could've said that from the start! You didn't have to die on this hill.
I don't especially want to continue the conversation into that with you after it took 20 comments of you slinging insults and shit over something that you now say doesn't matter to get here. If I have to pull teeth over something so simple, obvious, and relatively unimportant then I see no sense in discussing other stuff.
It's not as if the terms I was insisting on would make it impossible to criticize my position. There's no reason you couldn't have accepted those terms to start and continued the debate.
Oh no, you're still wrong about that, you letting fascists win is absolutely benefiting fascists. You refusing to accept that has required you to make insane leaps of mental gymnastics. I just gave up because no amount of logic can reach you.
"Insane leaps of mental gymnasics," like, "Doing nothing has no impact on the election."
As opposed to "logic," like, "Doing nothing is a +0 which is neither an increase nor a decrease except also it is a decrease because it's not an increase and not increasing is the same as decreasing because zero doesn't exist."
Tell you what, if doing nothing counts as helping someone, then rest assured that I'll give Kamala my "help."
I'm surprised that you seem to not realize that you helped bring Trump back in power. This was the plan, wasn't it? Jill Stein had no chance at gaining the office, but you rallied against Harris nonetheless.
Those .3-.5% in key states could have stopped Trump, and solidified under a banner that isn't anti-LGBTQ+.
The Green party essentially is under Trump.
First of all I live in Illinois, so my vote doesn't matter at all. Second, Harris would've needed a lot more that 0.3% to win, she lost PA by a solid 2.0%. Even if you do the unrealistic thing y'all do of adding third party votes to your candidate's total, you're not going to have enough to win.
But none of that is really relevant. The people who helped Trump win were the people who voted for him. I didn't help either candidate win because I didn't vote for either candidate. I helped Kamala exactly as much as I helped Trump.
I don't really have an interest in continuing this purely semantic argument where I consider myself to be objectively correct about the meaning of terminology.
Unfortunately your opinion has been deemed to be irrelevant. You have demonstrated a lack of knowledge on the topic of which you speak, have no educated opinions and can be safely discarded from the conversation.
Please try again later.