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Harris only received five percent of Republican votes — less than the six percent Joe Biden won in 2020 when he beat Trump, as well as the seven percent won by Hillary Clinton in 2016 when she lost to him. While Harris won independents and moderates, she did so by smaller margins than Biden did in 2020.

Meanwhile, Harris lost households earning under $100,000, while Democratic turnout collapsed. Votes are still being counted, but Harris is on pace to underperform Biden’s 2020 totals by millions of votes.

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[-] emmy67@lemmy.world 29 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Dems said to the left. "We offer you nothing and you owe us everything".

Why are they surprised their entitled demand failed?

[-] Nalivai@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Guess you didn't listen either, since you thought they offer you nothing

[-] emmy67@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

I'd wait to hear what they offer me that I'm concerned with that they couldn't have done already. They demonstrated they didn't want my vote.

Let me rephrase that a way you can understand.

If things were as dire as they wanted us to believe, why were they ignoring us and brining on Liz and dick Cheney?

Why did they ignore us whenever we asked for something? Because they believed they had our vote no matter what.

I don't want to sign off on another genocide.

you owe them everything? You owe them a vote bro. It's not that deep.

[-] emmy67@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

If I owe them a vote, they owe me some policies.

yeah, and those polices weren't global tariffs, deleting the DOE, and fucking over most of the federal government.

[-] emmy67@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

That sounds like they were offering the status quo. I.e nothing as nothing would change.

I am dissatisfied with that deal.

Sorry dems, but you only get nothing for nothing.

I am dissatisfied with that deal.

and you prefer a second trump deal?

Like you can pretend like you aren't satisfied here, but you're being presented with a would you rather of, would you rather cut your arm a little bit, or stick a needle into your eye. And you sit there and go "yeah no i dont think i want any of these options" except you forgot to read the fine print where the second option is the default result.

[-] emmy67@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

I'm dissatisfied with either. One actively repels me but the other isn't appealing either.

Neither is th default here because neither is the incumbent, though Kamala is closer.

So if neither is asking for my vote or bringing anything i want, why would I show up?

Blame me if you like, but the truth is they failed because they were not appealing enough. And that's simply all there is to it.

So if neither is asking for my vote or bringing anything i want, why would I show up?

because if you dont vote, you are actively pushing for the party that "repels" you, to be in power.

The truth is that they failed sure, but then the truth is ALSO that you failed as well. You cannot simply ascribe all the blame to one party, especially in an environment as dynamic as today.

If you don't understand the philosophical implications here, or just philosophy more broadly, go play the trolley game, and come back to me.

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