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I mean, people thought Black people had biological differences that would prevent them from competing on an equal footing too. There was literally science about it, in the same way you claim there’s science about trans people. And indeed Black people do dominate certain sports right now. If you want sports to be perfectly fair how can you reconcile that?
Because you’ve a priori agreed Black people competing is worth any amount of “unfairness” that results. The same will be true of trans people in the future.
The rest of your post is honestly just pearl clutching about sports stuff that neither I nor anyone else truly cares about. Sports will get over trans inclusion; trans people are already being included, even in the Olympics, so the process is happening. And no cis athletes have been dispossessed yet. So… continue being unhappy about it if you like, the world is moving on and so am I.
Black people dominate some sports IN THE BEST OF THE BEST DIVISIONS. Trans people are welcome to compete in that best of the best division.
Are you claiming there is no legitimate scientific provable advantage than trans women have over natural women in sports? Maybe there isn't anything legitimate for black people, or maybe it's a minor advantage present in some, but you can't deny trans women retain significant advantages given they are biologically male.
Trans can compete in the best of the best leagues like everyone else, yes. They shouldn't compete in leagues based around biological disadvantage because they don't have that biological disadvantage.
They are more than welcome to compete in the best of the best sports leagues, nobody is banning them from sports, just ones they don't qualify for.
I'm not unhappy about it really, I'm just fighting for equality is all, trying to keep things fair for everyone. I would be totally for a trans league, since they don't qualify as biological women but probably aren't good enough to compete at the best levels.
Just like how I don't think able bodied people should compete in the special Olympics, I don't think trans women should compete in biological women based sports, because it's just unfair to women.
Let me ask you this, if we are to store trans women in women's sports, should there be any limits? Can a male bodybuilder decide he is actually a women, then the next day go break records? Would you deny her entry, and if so why?
Yes, and I am provably correct.
Literally trans people (including trans women!) are competing in Olympics events now. Because as I've said over and over again, gender tests are not based on natal sex but hormone levels.
If trans women had an advantage, they would be crushing their cis competition. But they are not: for example, Laurel Hubbard. Check her out: https://olympics.com/en/news/weightlifting-laurel-hubbard-transgender-three-failed-lifts-tokyo
You've just been watching too much South Park. No one is trying to do compete in opposite-gendered leagues that is not trans, and as I've been saying from the start this is just a red herring with regards to trans liberation.
You don't understand what provable means at all. One example of someone who didn't crush the competition isn't proof at all. There was a recent trans woman who crushed women weightlifting records, that is an example of your idea being wrong. That person went from ok but not record breaking man to record breaking woman. Are you going to pretend the male genetic advantage had nothing to do with that?
And let me ask you this, what does a trans woman have to do to be a legitimate trans woman? Does she have to do anything more than say she is a woman? Does she need to take pills to be legitimate? Does she need to shave her beard to be legitimate?
If all she has to do is proclaim she is a woman, you can't seriously think that changes her genetic advantage, right? If a person can compete as a man one day and a woman the next, did they lose their male advantage? Or are you going to claim those aren't real women?
You can't ignore that males have a genetic advantage in sports, I think you were even agreeing with that point earlier. How does going from a man to a trans woman overcome biology? It doesn't. If males have no generic advantage, then why have any women's sports at all?
If your concern is valid, why did the trans woman weight lifter in the Olympics not easily crush her competition? Where is the source for any of your claims? I linked you my proof; your “common sense” is meaningless.
Trans women are not dominating sports when included and there seems to be no “male genetic advantage.” Indeed, as I’ve demonstrated over and over again, it is unfair not to include trans people in exactly the same way as it is to not include Black people.
Your continued sourceless concern trolling is baseless. I’m going to be leaving this conversation because you seem to have nothing more to add. If you have further concerns, I encourage you to reread what I’ve already stated numerous times.
If there is no male genetic advantage, why do males completely dominate the best of the best sports, and why do you say we should still have women's sports in the elite ranks? Clearly males have a genetic advantage in sports, it's undeniable.
Again, one trans women, who still did pretty well, doesn't prove anything. Look at Avi Silverberg, who came out as trans and dominated women's weightlifting records.
If you want proof of the male genetic advantage, just look at how they dominate all the sports that are open to males and females, which is basically all the professional sports. Even though it's open to both sexes, it's essentially 100% males. You can't deny the male advantage, it's clear as day.