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I simply refuse to believe this because it just doesn't make sense. If these voters aren't low-information voters, they'd know that Trump plans to increase their expenses by about $400 per month. They'd know that Musk has already said he plans on making things exponentially worse. They'd know that Trump literally has no economic plan besides "get rid of the brown people." And they either voted for him or decided to stay home anyway? That doesn't make the first bit of sense.
This is my point. The policies weren't the problem. Dem policies such as abortion did just fine. The "old white guy" thing mysteriously disappeared once Biden dropped out of the race, and now people are saying we could have avoided this by putting up an even older white guy. They certainly didn't like Trump's policies because Trump doesn't have any and Project 2025 is wildly unpopular. All 50 states went significantly redder.
It certainly wasn't because of policy. Dems did just fine there.
It wasn't because of downticket. Senate and House races went largely as predicted.
It wasn't because Biden was old. Trump is virtually the same age and Bernie is even older.
It's not the economy. Trump plans to make things worse.
The excuses that people are giving just do not make the least bit of sense when up against even a minimum amount of scrutiny. We have people saying "women are property", "your body, my choice", sending texts to Latinos telling them to pack their bags, and telling black people to report for slave duty. We don't have people out there celebrating "the economy is gonna be great again!".
"the economy" is a convenient excuse for people who just don't want to admit they refuse to vote for a black woman. If the "economy" is a concern, you don't vote for the guy who's planning on increasing your expenses by thousands of dollars per year.
They definitely are low information voters. When people hear things they don't like from people they do like, they always assume it's not going to hurt them until it actually does. This might eventually work if they heard it enough, but they never will and don't care enough to pursue the information on their own.
In terms of the old white man thing, I think it's fair to say that while people say they don't want old people running, what they really mean is old people who aren't all there. This should eliminate Trump, but he's never seemed all there and he's had a more shallow decline than Biden. Bernie doesn't meet this qualification because he's still as sharp as ever. Biden's decline was shockingly fast and even turned liberals away despite his government still operating
I did get the very strong vibe from undecided voters that they really wanted to vote for Trump but couldn't tell anyone the reason was racism or sexism because they care too much about their image with liberals or their own self-image.
That all being said, a trending search term on election day was, "Did Joe Biden drop out?" So clearly, the low information problem should be doing some heavy lifting in our conclusions.