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Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez addressed Trump’s election win, urging Democrats to move past infighting and post-election rancor to focus on preparing for potential impacts of his presidency, such as tariffs, mass deportations, and censorship.

She criticized some Democrats for blaming the loss on “identity politics,” despite Trump’s campaign centering on white racial grievance and calls for white men to turn out. Ocasio-Cortez pointed to moderate voices like Reps. Tom Suozzi and Seth Moulton, who argued that supporting trans rights hurt Democrats, as misguided.

She encouraged people to engage in direct communication and join physical communities to combat despair and build resilience.

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

I don’t see any way of stopping fascism in America

My suggestion would be spending less time telling people it's useless to try, and more time listening to people with plans to stop fascism then.

I don’t want the Democrats to move right yet again, but if that’s what people want

Good thing it's fucking not then...

It's what Republicans want so that even if they lose they win.

The problem is when the DNC tries to look at what voters want, they look at polling for all voters

Which include the half of voters who will always vote R.

So if 51% of voters want a border wall, and 50% of those are always going to vote R, that's 1% of voters who could potentially be convinced to vote D who want Dems to support a border wall.

Chasing that 1% pisses off the 49% of voters who don't want a border wall, and they're literally the Dem voting base

So while you "can't see a way to stop fascism" to me and a shit ton of other Americans the solution is staring us right in the face.

Hopefully this helped you understand, if not please spend less time telling people fascism is unavoidable because that depresses turnout and makes it harder to fight fascism

And that should be even more obvious than why the Dem.party needs to stop moving right

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl -1 points 3 days ago

I don't think I'm saying it's useless to try, I just separated fascism and authoritarianism (maybe being too pedantic) I'm saying "we" that want progressive policy aren't the majority opinion of Democrats and we depress ourselves when we have delusions of it being otherwise only to find election results and the literal opinions of our neighbors proving otherwise.

I still vote and hope others do, but I think we need to be more realistic about what the rest of "the party" really wants.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

I’m saying “we” that want progressive policy aren’t the majority opinion of Democrats

And I'm repeatedly telling you that you're wrong...

Progressive policy isn't just popular with the majority of Dem voters, it's more popular than not with independents and even fucking Republicans.

The problem is the DNC leadership insists on running moderates who like donations from billionaires/corporations and foreign goverments more than they like votes from Americans

we need to be more realistic about what the rest of “the party” really wants.

You're conflating party leadership with party voters, over and over again....

And as much difficulty as I'm having explaining this, I've realized why you can't think of a path to stopping fascism.

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