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Bernie Would Have Won. Seriously.
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They can do better. The biggest issue was messaging though. They talked about how much better the economy is now, which is true if you're talking about stock value but the average American wasn't necessarily doing better, and often doing worse. They kept telling the working class they should be happy instead of focusing on how they recognize the issues and focusing on addressing them.
Harris did... exactly that. That was a huge part of her messaging.
The GOP controls the storylines that the media runs along: "Kamala just isn't being specific about her policies" when she was robustly specific, and while Trump said absolutely zero specifics about anything and no one said a word about it.
No, she entertained the concept while also saying the economy is doing super well, which it isn't if your definition focused on the working class doing well. I agree she had some good policies, but that doesn't matter if you can't get the message out.
Trump said he would fix issues for the working class (with magic or something I guess, because the few policies he was willing to state certainly wouldn't).
It doesn't matter how much you would have helped people if they don't believe it.
They did help people, and did it about as much as the government could. Almost 16m jobs created, 6m more than pre-pandemic.
The issue was inflation, but that was global, and the US did better than most of the rest of the industrialized world in that regard. It is a complicated truth vs simple lies: you figure out how to get Americans to listen to the one and not the other.
I agree, but it isn't my job to figure out how to get people to listen. That's politics. There are trusted people by the working class on the democratic (more left, but they caucus with the democrats) side. Harris was not this, nor was Biden. They are both establishment politicians. That's not what the people want right now and the Democrats new this but they thought they could win anyway.