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Pumping all of our waste into the atmosphere is a much better solution!
If we had started building them the first time that question was asked we'd have them by now.
I never said that. But there are ways we have to do neither. Why not concentrate on those, especially since they are magnitudes cheaper.
That might be true, but how is that helping us right now? That's why I said it doesn't matter how the horse died. It's dead now. There are many faster solutions, why take the one that takes longest?
FSS I hate discussions with people.... You can do more than one thing. You could have concentrated on both nuclear AND renewables and stopped burning COAL - but no, instead Germany had a fucking uptick in coal power while dropping the much cleaner nuclear.
This was so foreseeable it hurts. Renewables simply aren't up to the task of baseload generation yet in the way that nuclear is.
You have a source for that?
Actually coal consumption is down to the level of the 1960s.
https://www.ise.fraunhofer.de/de/presse-und-medien/presseinformationen/2024/oeffentliche-stromerzeugung-2023-erneuerbare-energien-decken-erstmals-grossteil-des-stromverbrauchs.html
Yes, it's down since the 1960s. If this is your level of understanding I don't expect this to go well.. 🙄
It shot up between 2020 and 2023 (4th chart here): https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-consumption-and-power-mix-charts
Yes other things were happening, yes other values are moving up (renewables - yay!). But with no nuclear to fall back on Coal plants had to fire up to bear the burden of pressure on other fuels.
Nuclear is clean. Coal is certainly not clean.
Edit: also - https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/germany-approves-bringing-coal-fired-power-plants-back-online-this-winter-2023-10-04/
How much of that is due to French nuclear reactors shutting down, both during summer (to not turn the rivers that cool them into fish soup) as well as all that maintenance stuff they had going on lately.
Germany is an electricity exporter.
Also: You're looking at generated power. Not coal consumption. That doesn't completely erase the bump but it's quite a bit smaller, they shut down some very old plants and replaced them with more efficient ones.
The current biggest chunk is oil, mostly used in transportation, and gas, for heating. Those will need to be electrified and replaced with what 25% of their Joule-value in electricity production, gas will stay longest because it's used for peaker plants and, once the grid is completely renewable, that will be done with synthesised gas.
Had the original plan to phase out nuclear and coal been followed we'd already be there but the CDU insisted on knee-capping renewables because the likes of RWE were asleep at the wheel and hadn't shifted their investments fast enough, electricity production in Germany suddenly wasn't an oligopoly, any more, can't have that.
You're making excuses for burning coal. I'm saying they shouldn't be burning it at all.
Why the hell did they ban nuclear before coal anyway? That was just stupid.
IIRC according to the original plan the last coal plants would've shut down before the last nuclear plants. Certainly would've been possible without 16 years of CDU government.