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[-] Alk@sh.itjust.works 13 points 6 hours ago

I did a report on that book in high school. I got through maybe 15 pages before losing all willpower. Then I read a bunch of summaries and other reviews. I got an A. I think my teacher hadn't read it either.

[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 9 points 4 hours ago

The 1000+ pages of Atlas Shrugged are all an excuse for a 48 page Manifesto portrayed as John Galt's speech that occurs in the middle of the book.

If you want to understand what Rand was saying, just skip the book part and go directly to that manifesto. Its still a long slog to get through just that part. The rest of the book is slightly worse than bad teen fanfiction.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago

Eh, I thought the opposite. I thought John Galt's speech was absolutely skippable since the point had already been thoroughly made by that point.

That said, here's my cliff notes of what I remember from the book:

  1. overly protectionist government makes rules to favor its preferred industries
  2. innovator refuses to kowtow to the protectionist rules and innovates, creating a better product for lower cost
  3. government (in concert with cronies from the market) shuts down 2 to preserve its protectionism
  4. innovater from 2 leaves society to start/join a group that refuses to interact w/ the government
  5. group from 4 convinces more people to join them, which removes all the innovation from the market
  6. market collapses due to too many cronies and not enough innovation
  7. John Galt speech, which is basically "told you so"

The whole story could and should have been told in less than half the pages, and probably closer to 250 pages. Fountainhead has the same essential story, but in half the pages and much better storytelling IMO, and Anthem has a very similar message in a 1984-esque world in far fewer pages.

I've read all three, and I recommend them from shortest to longest (i.e. if you like Anthem, you'll probably like Fountainhead, and only read Atlas Shrugged to say you did.

I agree with Ayn Rand on some things (i.e. protectionism is bad), but disagree on a lot of things (almost the entirety of Objectivism). I consider myself a left-leaning libertarian, and I largely reject Ayn Rand's message, especially the one about how charitable giving is bad (I believe in wealth redistribution via UBI or NIT). That said, I think her ideas are instructive, especially when it comes to understanding some of the fringe ultra-conservative groups in the libertarian and libertarian-adjacent movements.

[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Eh, I thought the opposite. I thought John Galt’s speech was absolutely skippable since the point had already been thoroughly made by that point.

I'm not sure what you're proposing. I'm saying skip the rest of the 1000+ pages and JUST read the 48 page speech if you want to know the point of the book. You seem to be saying, "read the first 500 pages, and then stop reading the book once you get to the speech". I agree with you that the speech is mostly redundant at that point however my method skips right to the point while yours would require the reader to suffer through 500+ pages of cardboard characters with vapid storytelling.

What am I missing from what you are suggesting?

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

I'm saying, skip the whole book and read Anthem. It makes basically the same point, but it's a short novella and much more enjoyable than Galt's monologue.

[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

I admit I haven't read Fountain Head or Anthem. That still sounds like reading 400+ pages of Rand to get the same point she's trying to get across. If others want some better storytelling surrounding her message, it sounds like yours is the better path. For those that just want to rip the bandaid off, the Galt speech by itself is the shortest path.

For those reading the Galt speech, Elon Musk might be a close contemporary example of Galt. He's a rich industrialist that benefited from other's labor and the society structures that gave him protective laws, safe food/water, an educated workforce, a welcoming to immigrants, and all of the things that let him succeed. As soon as he succeeds he puts all his energy into destroying those structures because he sees himself as the main character and everyone else unworthy of his 'genius'.

That still sounds like reading 400+ pages of Ran

Anthem is closer to 100 pages, and it's much more enjoyable than the ~50 pages of John Galt's monologue.

If you really want a shorter version of Atlas Shrugged, read a summary. Galt's speech is really long, pretty repetitive, and not that interesting, and it's basically just Ayn Rand getting off on her own ideas. There are much shorter summaries of Rand's ideology.

Elon Musk might be a close contemporary example of Galt

You obviously didn't read the book, because Galt actually innovated (book describes essentially a perpetual motion electrical generator). Musk is a salesperson who is particularly good at getting funding, as well as hiring people who know what they're doing. If Galt were real, I think he'd criticize Musk for the same reason you are, that he's only wealthy because of handouts from other people. Galt is also a philosopher (hence his massive monologue), whereas Musk doesn't seem to have anything resembling a philosophy other than "get rich by stroking rich peoples' egos."

he puts all his energy into destroying those structures

Then you've completely missed the point, or at least didn't finish the book.

The only things the MCs in the book destroy are their own creations, they never destroy anything of anyone else's (and that's critically important to Rand's Objectivism ideology). They're labeled as destroying public goods because the government sees all private creations as some form of "public good," but they merely practiced the ultimate form of "take their ball and go home," and merely exiting the market led to systemic collapse. The government collapses after becoming a dictatorship and due to its own failings, not because of any action from Galt et al. If you'll notice, they have exited society long before the government actually collapses, and the government gets more and more desparate (i.e. more authoritarian) the more people exit society.

The closest thing Galt does to "destruction" is hacking into a national radio broadcast to deliver his speech. That's it, he uses no force, and he is actually arrested by the authorities and they try to force him to lead the economic recovery, which he refuses to do. If he had "main character syndrome," surely he would've accepted that offer, no?

There's a reason he disappeared into obscurity, and it's precisely because he doesn't think anyone should be the main character. That's the entire point of the "Who is John Galt?" theme, he doesn't want people to look up to him, he wants to live on his own terms and be judged by his own merits, and only people who are truly interested will follow his example (again, not to follow him, but to follow their own self-interests).

And that's a large part of why I think the monologue is the wrong place to look for a summary of Rand's ideas, because it's pretty much the only time John Galt goes into public, and he only does it to spread a message, not to elevate himself. If that's all you read, it's pretty easy to assume than John Galt is some kind of important figurehead, when he's actually just the first in a larger group to exit a corrupted society.

Anthem is a much better distillation of her ideas IMO, and it's much simpler. Basically, it's a 1984 society where the government is stifling innovation merely to maintain consistent jobs. The MC writes by candlelight throughout the book, and in the end rediscovers electricity, which the ruling party has apparently hidden because it killed the candlemaking jobs. It gets a little campy with the couple rediscovering the word "I" and their own individuality, but the message is pretty clear IMO.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Back when I still had right-wing friends, one of them wouldn't shut up about Atlas Shrugged. So I agreed to read the book with him if he promised to read The Jungle afterwards. We both quit before getting through the first chapter. What a crappy book!

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