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Yup, history is watching us completely drop the ball here. History is watching Joe Biden fail to rise to the occasion of addressing the onslaught of US fascism. The environment, peace, wealth, and our very freedoms are now in dire peril.
How did he fail to rise to the occasion?
By eating ice cream cones while promoting a genocide. That's just one example though.
Israel is supported by the US to prevent Iran from growing in power in the region.
Netanyahu is responsible for the genocide.
Those who blame Biden for Netanyahu’s actions are responsible for our environment, peace, wealth and very freedoms being in dire peril. Because they have empowered Trump.
But it seems pretty clear that was the goal from those bad faith actors.
What if, Iran grow in power in the region? Why do an American citizen care for? If Iran intervene in oil deal between US and nations in the region, then they can, work with these nations to rebel Iran, you know like how they are doing with Ukraine.
Commiting war crimes and genocide in the name of stopping Iran is lame and stupid.
Tell this to Netanyahu. Iran is also not afraid of committing warcrimes.
Oh you naive summer child.
Your non answer is telling
Biden fit nicely into the status quo Democrat role, which was never going to help anything against the Republican fucks who give more shits about their power than serving the country. Do let me know if I need to spell out any other obvious realities to you - and your daft upvoters.
You still haven’t answered the question. You just said he fit into the role.
That is the answer. Another status quo democrat was not what we needed, and that was plainly obvious when Biden took office.
Question: How did Biden not rise to the occasion?
(Non)Answer: Another status quo democrat was not what we needed.
So you feel what we needed was the alternative, Trump. Because those were the only two choices.
Biden was addressing all of these issues. Trump has plans to make all of them worse
Oh, gees, it totally slipped my mind that Biden was the only choice for a democratic nominee before the last election. No one else besides old white men have ever run for the office, who else could the party have possibly picked?
You can take assumption and shove it violently where such assumptions should go. Just trolling with shit like that trying to put words in other people’s mouths and I will not engage with it. Go fish for an answer you like somewhere else.
So you’re response is based off emotion and not logic.
This is a fair question. The people voted for fascism. What’s he supposed to do, stage a coup to try and overturn the election results?
He wanted to, and thought he could rise to the occasion but old age got to him.
Right, almost any legislation he tried to pass was blocked by Congress because of Manchin and Sinema.
If we blame/punish politicians for trying then why would they keep trying?
Manchin and Sinema were enacting the will of party leadership.
By voting against the party? That doesn’t make any sense
They didn't vote against the party. They voted against what the party ran on but never had any intention of ever doing.
Why do you feel they didn’t have any intention of doing what they ran on?
Why don't you?
Because they’ve passed legislation that hasn’t been blocked in Congress like the student loan forgiveness. Which went on to be blocked by conservative lawsuits. But not after helping some people.
This makes it pretty clear than republicans are the reason democrats can’t get more progressive policies passed. Even to those not paying attention.
Student loan forgiveness was an executive order. It was never voted on in congress. It would have stood a better chance of surviving the courts if it had. But it wouldn't have got past the Senate because Manchinema was there doing the party's work.
USA Today: Senate votes to repeal Biden student loan forgiveness; White House plans a veto
That was a vote to repeal the executive order.
That’s irrelevant. We are talking about whether the Democratic Party intended to do what they said they would do.
They said they would forgive student loans. They were blocked by republicans.
You are acting like democrats are to blame for republicans actions.
The deciding votes were from Democratic senators.
Manchin and Sinema. Why are you trying to blame the Dem party for people that don’t vote along party lines. That’s an obvious bad faith argument.
They did their jobs. They voted like leadership wanted. There are always just enough Manchins.
The people gave Democrats a majority. They found enough no votes. Like fucking always.
Manchin and Sinema exist because any politician can just claim to be democrat and not vote along party lines. For you to act like it is some conspiracy by the democrats to not follow through on what they worked for is a bad faith argument.
Isn’t it more likely that republicans, the group that actively blocks all democrats out then up to it?
Which also would be a conspiracy.
There is evidence of republicans trying to stop Democratic legislation. There is none of the Democratic Party trying to stop the Democratic Party
There is plenty of evidence of Democrats trying to stop progressives. Why would that be limited to progressive candidates and not progressive legislation?
“Democrats” or the Democratic Party as a whole? Because any bad faith actor can claim to be democrat and go against party lines.
It sure happens reliably.
When people like yourself fall for it, why would they stop?