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[-] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

No, but you have to understand that it now comes with the context of being a WP dog whistle. The symbolism of the Nazis weren't anything to their ideology before hand. They had widespread use for thousands of years. Now they, especially the primary one, is all but verboten in the west, and people who use things, like the swastika, as religious symbols, even know to tread with caution using it in the west. White hoods, and robes, have been used in cultural/religious regalia forever. However, you don't use them in the US unless you consider being mistaken for a klan memeber.

Can we reclaim pepe? Probably, it was minor compared to the aforementioned things, and the creator has done a lot to kibosh the commercial use of it from right wing people. However, it was that, and that context doesn't just disappear because you don't like it.

[-] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

There's a whole documentary about reclaiming pepe called "feels good man"

The more we discourage people from using pepe because WP and shitheads, the more they win.

[-] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I agree, a number of the places I hang out online, and friends, use it. None of them are like that. However, when researching bigotry in culture, it will inevitably come up, and it's significance as an indicator is complicated. So, best to read the details of the data, and what they have to say about it, beyond and chart, and headline, and keep in mind that there is real reason to attach the frog to the alt-right, but it is used in many other ways.

[-] reksas@sopuli.xyz -2 points 1 day ago

what if they start using this as weapon to deny us things?

[-] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

I mean, that already happens. This isn't a new problem.

[-] reksas@sopuli.xyz 1 points 22 hours ago

should we just submit to it then and give up?

[-] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

I didn't say, nor imply that. I am saying you have to operate within a world where this is how things are. Doesn't matter what you think is good, right, ethical, whatever, this is what is, and you have to make you decisions with this in mind.

[-] reksas@sopuli.xyz 1 points 21 hours ago

i believe even swastika could be taken back from them somehow, though it requires more than me believe it

[-] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago

Maybe once the nazis are so far back in history they aren't really remembered, and people like Buddhists, become more common in the west, sure

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