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This is one of many problems with “ACAB” because not every cop is one way or the other.
Reality is that a functioning society needs police officers. It sounds like you hit it off with this person and they have some good qualities that you like.
How do you expect the police to change if we don’t get involved? Getting rid of the police entirely is not a solution. But getting in and making changes from the inside is a valid way to make things better.
Why are you wanting to create an echo chamber for yourself? Why don’t you expose yourself to others and other ideas that are different than yours? What’s the harm there? Are you scared you won’t be able to change his mind or that his ideas might make some sense to you?
This.
I'm friends with a former Republican social media person. I don't share his views and he's knows that, but I can appreciate his views so that I can learn.
Sometimes the most uncomfortable perspective can help you grasp some really complicated things.
And also, you might not even know what their views on the police are.
Just get to know them. Don't adapt their views if you don't subscribe to them, but listen to them and maybe you can take away some stuff here and there.
Yes go out and befriend a KKK grand wizard today lol you will learn a lot.
Sure, ask Daryl Davis https://youtu.be/PVVFx3issHg
Sure go hangout with a neo nazi, I'm sure they have redeeming qualities.
Neo-nazies are the same species of human as KKK members. If what Daryl Davis did worked with KKK it should work with neo-nazies too. Or do you have a valid reason to think it wouldn't?
I have a friend who worked at a convenience store in an area where the KKK still has a decent presence. The local grand wizard or dragon or whatever ridiculous rank he had took a liking to my friend (it should maybe be noted that my friend is practically a caricature of blond, blue-eyed whiteness.) I wouldn't say they were friends, it was more than he was on the clock and couldn't really afford to lose his job by telling some racist fuck to pound sand, they didn't keep in contact outside of work, neither of them changed each other's minds about anything (my friend is now engaged to a black woman) but they did have some fairly in depth and civil conversations about race and society and such.
I can't say for what Mr Pointy Hat's takeaway was from their talks, but my friend's overall impression is that the klan guy was kind of stuck. He kind of seemed to know that the world had changed around him, and that maybe he was in the wrong and there was no place for someone like him anymore, but he was unable and/or unwilling to change himself to adapt to the new world and to different ways of thinking than he'd been brought up with, so the kkk was kind of his way of carving a safe space for himself out of the world where he knew how things worked and where he had some sort of value. And his hatred towards black people and other people different from himself wasn't really that they should be killed or enslaved or treated poorly, but that he didn't get why they needed to be part of the same society as him, sort of like if they could just all go off and live in their own countries he'd wish them the best in their endeavors.
I'm not saying that's at all a good philosophy, I find it absolutely abhorrent, but it's also more nuanced than I would have otherwise thought a klansman would be capable of.
I also won't say that my friend necessarily had a perfect read on this guy, it could very well be that he totally took the wrong things away from what the guy said. And even if he did hit the nail on the head, with a sample size of 1, you can't exactly extrapolate that to say that the rest of the klan or other racist shitbags feel the same way.
But I do think there can be some value in talking to some of these types of people, maybe not befriending them exactly, but building some sort of mutual understanding might help get some of them onto the right path before they end up too old and stuck in their ways like that guy.
Something about playing with a dog who was rolling in the sewer and you will also stink like shit. I'm exposed to enough morons, people don't change at least not for the better. I'm not going out of my way to engage more but good for you.
If you didn't think people can change, you probably wouldn't spend as much time arguing with people on the internet as you do. Not really much point in doing that since you're not going to change their minds after all.
But even if you genuinely don't think people are capable of improvement, I think it would still be worthwhile in a "know your enemy" sort of way.
Yeah just keep getting to know your enemy. That is super effective way to deal with them. Kill them with kindness as it were lol while they kill you with rocks. Worry not I'm sure in 3 days you'll rise again.
My dude, what the actual fuck are you on about?
"Know your enemy" isn't a saying about peaceful turn-the-other-cheek, love-thy-neighbor, forgiveness bullshit
It's about knowing how and why they fight so you know how to defeat them.
You can't and won't win over every individual Nazi or klansman and make them see the light, but each one you do is one less enemy on their side and one more ally on yours, and my talking to them you get a better understanding on how to beat them.
Sure buddy sure. As Elvis put it." A little bit less conversation a little more action please..." Ya dig?
I have a couple of friends in law enforcement (NYPD & state Police). They tend to be best cops around, one of them is being sent to be a trainer so he can get some bigger promotions.
You got to ask yourself and maybe them if they are a good person. All cops are bad because of what the system does to them. But who they are in spite of what that system is doing says more about who they are as a person.
Chances are they'll have edgy jokes, but you've been on the Internet long enough to end up here, so I'm sure you can navigate that.
Remember conservatives hate liberal arts colleges because people who are exposed to diversity are more tolerant of it.
It's a statement of what the job entails, whether the individual is a "moral" person off the clock is not relevant.
Police are a relatively modern invention, have only been around ~200 years.
Police as in law enforcement. That’s been around a long, long, long time.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police