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[-] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 151 points 3 days ago

Isn't the point of the congestion fee to relieve congestion? Each person that says "this fee is stupid & I'm not paying" is one less vehicle in the area.

Sounds like a win.

[-] Humanius@lemmy.world 59 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

That is indeed the goal, but there is still a PR battle to be had on the issue.

To my knowledge this is the first time that congestion pricing has been implemented in North-America, and how people react to this will decide whether other North-American cities are willing to take the risk and do the same thing. Over the next couple of months there will likely be a lot of opinion pieces and articles that try to make you think that the congestion pricing is a failure and should be reversed.

Edit: typo

[-] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago

I hope they don't react the same way they did when roundabouts (rotaries/traffic circles) were introduced. Another thing that is only a problem in America and works well in many other countries.

[-] effward@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Runabouts can be very awesome, but can anyone explain to me what the hell is going on in the UK where (in some places) they've added a bunch of traffic lights to their roundabouts? In my (admittedly limited) experience, they make them substantially worse, but perhaps I'm missing something?

[-] Humanius@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

From my understanding there are two main beneftis:

  • Capacity
  • Safety

Roundabouts work great, until the amount of traffic becomes to big. Then it actually starts causing problems.
At that point you can put in a regular intersection with traffic lights, which actually works better than a roundabout does in high traffic environments. But you do lose out on the traffic safety benefits, with head-on collisions becoming possible again.

A roundabout with traffic lights increases the capacity of the intersection while still reducing the risk of deadly accidents.
It's also a lot cheaper than upgrading to the next step, which is building an interchange.

Signalised roundabouts are also quite prevalent in the Netherlands, and I can speak from experience that they generally work quite well if the lights are adjusted properly.

Note: I'm just some random guy, I'm by no means an expert on the matter.
This is just my understanding of the benefits of lighted roundabouts.

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