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Err... France appears to be doing fine. Are you ok dummy? Do you know how to read?
After 80 years of switching back and forth between Republics and Monarchies. With mob violence, civil wars, and brutal crackdowns. Which mostly killed commoners, not nobles. It wasn't until 1870 that they stabilized as a Republic, because they lost a war to the Germans.
We could do that or we could follow the example of the many countries who defended their rights or claimed them by filling the streets with people.
I'm not the one with a reading comprehension problem.
Filling the streets with people, on its own, doesn't do jack shit. It's an implied threat and you need to be willing to follow up on it with action or you're not getting anywhere. Also what do you intend to do when/if the government shoots the people filling the streets? Of course peaceful change is the best option, but it doesn't always, or even most of the time, work, and in that case you have no option except to capitulate or resort to violence.
If we actually reach that point then we reach it. But if we jump to it then we have utterly failed.
Worse, I believe you have a comprehension problem.
Multiple great wins for their citizens, with universal healthcare, a great aerospace lineage, reliable and low cost energy to help their industries grow, low to no cost higher education. A robust, healthy farm industry, high regard for planetary health among citizens, and a very reasonable work-life balance.
All they had to do was demand it. You're too chickenshit to even dream about it. Pathetic.
You could say the same about quite a few countries, without the 80 years of fuckery.
So no I don't want to fight your war. It's a stupid idea that only those who've never seen war would come up with. How about instead of calling a combat veteran a coward you try something else first. This country has tried nothing in regards to political reform platforms and you want to jump straight to violence like it's going to be a fucking Hollywood movie. The only thing you're buying is shit and blood. Then you get to find out that war drives people to strongman leaders because they just want the fighting to be over. They don't care about rights or anything like that after years of fighting. It's honestly a fucking miracle France turned out that way.
And it's a bit weird you keep focusing on them instead of other success stories like Scandinavia or South Korea. None of them required a long period of struggle to realize those things.
You never heard of the Korean war? How much quiet fighting Scandanavian countries went through with the USSR, never mind the 11 wars Sweden and Russia have been in? None of that influenced economic and cultural decisions over the course of history? Really?
I'm also not a warhawk, and would prefer to build society as the engineer I am, not to fight. But our common enemy is wealthy, and motivated to destroy the planet by a mental disease they won't admit to. I'd rather not be violent, but it draws inexorably towards us, we cannot make decisions halfway through collapse.
Enjoy your stolen valor, served alongside a well-broiled cut of historical ignorance 🙄
We're not talking about every war France has been in. We're talking about their internal struggle. And South Korea's liberalization happened in 1987 after massive protests filled the street.
If you want to call other people ignorant then you really should go read about the subjects here before you so happily resign yourself to a lifetime of war. I don't know how old you are but every war hawk I've ever listened to used that same exact line. "I want peace but the violence is just unavoidable!" Every. Fucking. Time. From Kipling to Bush.
Yet here we stand in the mire, and nothing changes. The consequences of inaction will be real.
It's been fun, I don't give a shit about you or convincing you. We'll make moves for team human in spite of folks like you who keep hoping things will improve.
Oh it's war for team human now. I'd say that's a new one but it isn't. George Bush used that one in 2002.
Yep. Not war, more like excision.
ouch, you had at least a resemblance of an argument till the excision remark. War and battles aren't operating tables, ask anyone who has actually participated in a war and ask if that's possible. I doubt you would find a sane general in history who tells you combat is a precise procedure, it's messy and everyone gets hurt.
Oh I meant more like remove the CEOs and the surrounding structures. Doesn't even have to be violent.
Oh gotcha, too used to extremist civil war comments I guess lol so I apologize. I'm a huge proponent for Co-ops so I definitely get your thinking. It's one of the more peaceful paths I hope everyone gets into. Unions only work so far unless legislation gets involved (or things tend to get dicey and you're constantly battling a company daily).
I honestly believe that co-op communities that involve residency and occupation (separate entities though) is one of the only ways to protect yourself from capitalism, it's kinda crazy it hasn't worked on a large scale yet but I imagine competition both economically and policy wise tend to shut things down pretty quick if capitalism sees itself losing a foothold. Something like Land-o-Lake's company running in a town like the Bronx co-op city. Could have a whole slew of member owned companies servicing the area (food,transportation,etc), even have a Co-op that helps other co-ops come to fruition like a credit union (also a co-op) gives out loans.
It's all there, just no clue why it hasn't been implemented before. Got really heavy into researching and designing a small community area like a self-sustaining village that emphasizes co-op based services. There's been plenty of other examples and ones that exist but always seems to be some weird niche thing instead of just a regular ol' town of people that have different perspectives but can agree personal life shouldn't be a constant economical struggle for everyone. There's some weird gate-keeping or lack of social awareness around alternatives, both from mainstream and individuals so I don't get it.
No worries, I was saying violence is an answer if things get too far, but co-ops are much preferred, having done some electrical work for small ones in the north east. Refreshing to be treated like a human for once.
I think there's a marked lack of education about what they are/how they work, all it takes is one mutton-head to say it's communist and everyone scatters in fear.
Oh another one. You say you aren't a war hawk but damned if that doesn't sound exactly like some bangers from the past.
"It's just regime change"
""They'll be home by Christmas!"
Yep. I'm not ashamed of advocating destruction of the destroyers. Physics doesn't give a fuck, planet's getting too hot.
You're not going to solve the suffering of people under climate change by replacing it with the suffering of war.
I never said that, dummy.
I'm saying we gotta tear down these structures which reward destruction of our planet, oust the execs responsible for making these systems (McKinsey et al), and be prepared to counter armed police resistance as they are against making those changes.
Oh no I know you didn't. You believe you can have all the violence with none of the suffering.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Are you the same person I've been talking with all day?
No longer. Your illogical responses now go to the machine's void.
Enjoy.
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