Games
Welcome to the largest gaming community on Lemmy! Discussion for all kinds of games. Video games, tabletop games, card games etc.
Rules
1. Submissions have to be related to games
Video games, tabletop, or otherwise. Posts not related to games will be deleted.
This community is focused on games, of all kinds. Any news item or discussion should be related to gaming in some way.
2. No bigotry or harassment, be civil
No bigotry, hardline stance. Try not to get too heated when entering into a discussion or debate.
We are here to talk and discuss about one of our passions, not fight or be exposed to hate. Posts or responses that are hateful will be deleted to keep the atmosphere good. If repeatedly violated, not only will the comment be deleted but a ban will be handed out as well. We judge each case individually.
3. No excessive self-promotion
Try to keep it to 10% self-promotion / 90% other stuff in your post history.
This is to prevent people from posting for the sole purpose of promoting their own website or social media account.
4. Stay on-topic; no memes, funny videos, giveaways, reposts, or low-effort posts
This community is mostly for discussion and news. Remember to search for the thing you're submitting before posting to see if it's already been posted.
We want to keep the quality of posts high. Therefore, memes, funny videos, low-effort posts and reposts are not allowed. We prohibit giveaways because we cannot be sure that the person holding the giveaway will actually do what they promise.
5. Mark Spoilers and NSFW
Make sure to mark your stuff or it may be removed.
No one wants to be spoiled. Therefore, always mark spoilers. Similarly mark NSFW, in case anyone is browsing in a public space or at work.
6. No linking to piracy
Don't share it here, there are other places to find it. Discussion of piracy is fine.
We don't want us moderators or the admins of lemmy.world to get in trouble for linking to piracy. Therefore, any link to piracy will be removed. Discussion of it is of course allowed.
Authorized Regular Threads
Related communities
PM a mod to add your own
Video games
Generic
- !gaming@Lemmy.world: Our sister community, focused on PC and console gaming. Meme are allowed.
- !photomode@feddit.uk: For all your screenshots needs, to share your love for games graphics.
- !vgmusic@lemmy.world: A community to share your love for video games music
Help and suggestions
By platform
By type
- !AutomationGames@lemmy.zip
- !Incremental_Games@incremental.social
- !LifeSimulation@lemmy.world
- !CityBuilders@sh.itjust.works
- !CozyGames@Lemmy.world
- !CRPG@lemmy.world
- !OtomeGames@ani.social
- !Shmups@lemmus.org
- !VisualNovels@ani.social
By games
- !Baldurs_Gate_3@lemmy.world
- !Cities_Skylines@lemmy.world
- !CassetteBeasts@Lemmy.world
- !Fallout@lemmy.world
- !FinalFantasyXIV@lemmy.world
- !Minecraft@Lemmy.world
- !NoMansSky@lemmy.world
- !Palia@Lemmy.world
- !Pokemon@lemm.ee
- !Skyrim@lemmy.world
- !StardewValley@lemm.ee
- !Subnautica2@Lemmy.world
- !WorkersAndResources@lemmy.world
Language specific
- !JeuxVideo@jlai.lu: French
view the rest of the comments
No, he is right. The only people 'cosplaying' Nazis are Nazis. If you are an actor on stage or film cast to play a Nazi then you are doing your job. If you don a SS pin and a swastika armband you are a fascist and actively advertising yourself as a threat to those around you (unless they look like you). This is "hate speech" which means that it is "free speech" and thus should be protected from government interference. It, on the other hand, can also fall under "fighting words" which are not protected. It all depends on context. In the context of a fascist wannabe dictator taking office who is openly promoting violence against minorities and showing blatant support of white supremacist groups like proud boys and KKK, it falls under the latter. It is also speech that removes ones self from the social contracts of "tolerance", "compassion", and "safety". Just like any contract, the privileges and protections are only afforded to those who are a party to the contract. If someone goes out in a Nazi 'cosplay' and gets gunned down, beaten, savaged, spat on, or verbally assaulted they have no room to complain since they wore "speech" that said "I support or intend to do harm to those in my community and I am a threat."
You're literally making it up as you go. You have no clue what someone advocates for, but it sounds like people need to pass your own personal test else you think you should get to murder them in cold blood then try to make up a reason afterwards. Do you Nazi that you're the Nazi?
Nazism refers to a school of political beliefs. It's not some vague unknowable thing, a Nazi is perfectly capable of advocating for Nazism using speech and symbolism. So don't pretend they have no clue what a Nazi advocates.
No, killing a Nazi does not make someone "the Nazi". It would be nice if you didn't trivialize atrocities like the Holocaust.
Thank you. All of these things are actually very well defined. Nazism, Fascism, Authoritarianism. These are not words that are just thrown around haphazardly and have no meaning. The ones who DO use them inappropriately are those whom they describe. It is a concerted effort to redefine or undefine them so there is no longer a word to describe them.
Eh, I can't quite agree with "very well defined". Even Nazism isn't really internally coherent, it's surprisingly nonsensical, let alone all the variants of fascism straying so far from classical fascism.
But that's me nitpicking academically. Fascist organizations are crystal clear about their association, beliefs and what they want. When they heil or wear neo-Nazi symbols in a political context, there's no longer any need to doubt.
Absolutely. Nazis have been made very aware that most communities reject them on sight and so wolf-whistling and pathetic attempts of plausible deniability are used to pretend they're just 'regular' patriotic nationalists (see: Musk salute, and this related salute overseas a few weeks earlier). But even then, these are paper thin attempts. "You're the real nazis!" "Oh everyone's a nazi these days!" "Actually they were a specific party at a specific place at a specific time!", you just gotta laugh.
I was referring to the reaction to the top level comment. A bunch of people getting pissed as though if you say murder is wrong then you are defending Nazis. This is just mental laziness.
Killing Nazis isn't wrong in the slightest. The USA has a rich history of doing exactly that.
We do have to make sure that they're actually Nazis though. Maybe if their leader were to perform two back to back obvious sieg heil salutes then we could know for sure.
I think that dehumanizing other humans is something to be on the watch for. It doesn't make you a Nazi to wonder if you're also morally unsound
Nazis are human. Cruelty is all too human. The problem is, some people are completely beyond help, and will kill you just for existing, the first chance they get. You have to be ready if that happens, because it might happen sooner than you think.
Yeah, see the problem, echoed in nearly every philosophy in human history, is that you shouldn't enact vengeance (preventative or otherwise) because you might be wrong. It's the same reason the death penalty is immoral.
As much as I'd like to see some of these fucks at the end of a rope, that doesn't mean I will be making any blanket statements which assume I always know who the "bad" guys are.
You aren't dehumanizing anyone. Nazis did the dehumanizing themselves, who are you to object to that personal freedom of choice.
It's also important to keep in mind that intolerance cannot be fought off with tolerance. It's not possible. You have to not tolerate the intolerant.
Yes and you couldn't possibly be wrong about what a nazi is in a world where that term is thrown around more every day.
I'm gonna say it's probably most likely the group of fascist filth who cheered when their unelected dictator UNMISTAKABLY seig heil saluted TWICE on stage on DAY FUCKING ONE of this fascist regime.
What morals? You think I should have to play by some made up set of rules that the Nazis couldn't give two shits about?
And this is the crux of the statement. Social contracts are group moral codes. The Nazis do not adhere to the terms of the contracts and thus are not protected by them.
I can see that point. I get the same thing sometimes when I casually defend social media companies censoring speech. That is why I usually do it like I did here; direct, verbose, and overtly unambiguous.
People do need to have an understanding that applying an ideal to all people does not mean that you condne the behavior of anyone in specific. I do, personally, hold the philosophy that social contracts need to be mutual and by nature cannot be applied ubiquitously. That is the essence and source of the Tolerance Paradox. That is the most easily digested version, but all social contracts hold the same paradox. Tolerance, compassion, inclusion, safety, etc. The only reason any of of them function is because we all agree on them. It is safe to drive becuse we all agree that that yellow line means we don't cross it. We are safe standing on a subway platform because we all agree not to push each other onto the tracks. We are able to lead peaceful lives because we agree not to accost each other in public spaces. We are confident we can shop in stores, attend churches, spend time in parks, and move about in life because we include each other in our spaces.
Those who do not do these things forfeit the confidence they hold in those contracts. If you own a store or business and exclude some group, you should expect to be unwelcomed in the spaces of others. If you express hateful commentary or accost people, you should expect to be accosted and to not lead a life of peace. If you openly declare yourself as a threat to the health, wellbeing, and/or safety of other members of society, you are not owed any of those things. Period. That is the solution to the Social Contract Paradoxes. Those who are not party to them are not protected by them. It would be like if I signed a contract with a roofer to replace my roof and my neighbor started demanding they replace his roof too under my contract. They are not a party to the contract so they derive no benefit from the contract.
There is a pretty big flaw in this argument. Tolerance does not mean "do not murder". We do not tolerate plenty of people that we don't kill.
That would be "safety". Just to be clear. And we do condone the harming and killing of those who mean to harm or kill us. Self defense laws, castle doctrine, capital punishment, etc.
You're literally bringing up driving privileges & laws. The social contract you have is the US legal system. You don't get to go murder or attack people cause you decided they deserved it while you still try to claim you're following the social contract.
By definition a legal framework is not a social contract. Technically there IS a social contract that we will agree to follow the laws, but not everyone does that one either. We violate speed limits, download media, burn crosses in front yards.
There are also many cases where laws do not cover the violations of a social contract. Slurs are protected speech under most circumstances, but that does not mean that there are no consequences to utilizing them in your vocabulary in public. You will never go to jail for it, but in using them you violate a social contract of tolerance, and thus the members of society around you should not tolerate your presence. If you pull a gun while using those slurs, that is a clear indicator that you intend harm, specifically on the people to whom the slurs refer. This violates the social contract of safety, which means that you are open to being harmed yourself by the members of the contract around you. They protect the safety of the members by preventing you from harming them. It is actually covered in the US laws and has been condoned by society. The "murder is wrong" tautology fails very quickly in the face of reality. Is it OK to kill someone who is actively raping an infant? How about if they have a knife to your partner's or child's throat? What about if they point a loaded gun at a crowd of unarmed protestors and are not a legally recognized peace officer? Your moral code determines where that line is, but everyone has a line. Do you condone Israel's actions against the Palestinians? Let's go for the good ole trolley problem. Do you pull the lever? Is that OK?